Im sorry but i rate wilder even less after that....

[Ray*]

That is how NY does things post Mago tragedy, the doctors for sure give time for the guy to recover but that is the rules they operate under have for a bunch of fights now.

That’s cool, not trying to take away anything from Wilder. Was more curious but am glad you pointed this out.

[juggernaut666]

Everything you say is true, and boxing fans will be critical any way, I tuned in and seen Wilder getting pinged around the rinf by a slow, lazy jab HW, who the gassed and got overwhelmed on nothing more than stamina and fitness...... it was not a good pperformance in ANY boxing term lol

This again is your delusional or uneducated thinking .


The fact is like most now you will refuse to admit (as usual ) you were wrong and Ortiz wasnt the SLOW overrated old man you claimed him to be ..... if that was slow you must be the flash with those quick counters Ortiz displayed ? lol


Almost takes Wilder out in the 7th before the bell doe ?

[GhostofDempsey]

If Ortiz had just a little more stamina he wins easy. Maybe when he really was 38 he could have pulled it off. Wilder cannot box, he is awful. He is a one-trick pony with size and power. First half of that fight was garbage. Weakest HW division of all time!

[HanzGruber]

That is how NY does things post Mago tragedy, the doctors for sure give time for the guy to recover but that is the rules they operate under have for a bunch of fights now.

thas what i was thinking too, nyac taking precautions

[juggernaut666]

If Ortiz had just a little more stamina he wins easy. Maybe when he really was 38 he could have pulled it off. Wilder cannot box, he is awful. He is a one-trick pony with size and power. First half of that fight was garbage. Weakest HW division of all time!

Anything is possible ,thats why Joshua , Wilder AND Ortiz should fight eachother 2x ....... Ortiz just showed hes top level with fighting less than even Wilder .

Who knows how Ortiz actually is if he keeps relevant fights and staying active ?

[Godsfly]

you can see my prediction in the pick em, i picked wilder but by decision and said ortiz would be too slow. not that thats some amazing prediction to pick the favourite, just saying i didnt pick ortiz. i know this thread comes across as bitter but i genuinely wasnt impressed with either guy, i think people are going to elevate ortiz but the reason he was doing so well was because of how poor wilder was. and his gas tank was atrocious, he let him off the hook completely.

Ortiz let him off the hook? What fight were u watching? Did u not see the round that ortiz unloaded tge kitchen and the entire sink at wilder? Wlad let joshua off the hook not ortiz to wilder. Ortiz went bat **** crazy in the 7th. Wilder was hit with way way more then joshua was hit with when wlad actually had him. I was very impressed with ortiz. I thought he had better skills then anything parker or joshua has faced and his power is for real. The man looked good in this fight. But wilder is just too d@mn dangerous. Yes u sound extremely pissed off and bitter at the outcome. you sound extremely bitter. Again. Wilder is a freak. That one touch and you're ****ed. Just too dangerous....

[Jubei]

Totally agree here, Ortiz look ooooooooooold and sloooooow and still won almost every round on any neutral boxing fans scorecard. That old dude made Wilder look really really bad. I also picked Wilder to win by knockout because Ortiz looked old and terrible in his last fight already and now with his high blood pressure and him getting even older he surely will have even more stamina issues and that showed. Wilder has good power, but there's a reason he has fought nothing but inhouse Haymon controlled fighters, as Ortiz is.

The rabbit punches from Wilder, the holding, then the doc suddenly giving Wilder extra time after he almost got stopped. Then the atrocious scorecards who all had Wilder up before the knockout. That is just purely disgusting and all set up to have that AJ unification where they all make a ton of cash and Wilder retires.

The HW division right now is the worst it has ever been.

[champion4ever]

Ive got to be honest wilder looked awful.

All the jokes about ortiz being old, im not joking any more cause how the hell did he gas that much? and how slow did he look? seriously..... almost no snap in his punches and his legs were gone. Awful lazy jab. Yet he still managed to win almost every round.

the fact wilder had to pull himself out of the big hole that he'd put himself in by being so sloppy for the rest of the fight, isnt a positive reflection of his fighting abilities.

ortiz was pretty much allowed to control the whole pace and he still gassed. Let wilder off the hook cause 30 seconds of throwing punches knackered him out for the rest of the fight.

Wilder showed great heart i will say and did well to recover.

On a side note, how the hell did the judges have wilder up. And the ref was buying him even more time at the start of the round when he was on unsteady legs. That was disgraceful, and people worry about wilder getting robbed in the UK, US is just as corrupt as anywhere these days.

to me there was a huge difference in quality between klitschko v joshua, and wilder v ortiz.

It's called his M.O. Pal. The equalizer which is that lethal right hand of his. With it he could never be counted out of a fight. It didn't matter how well Ortiz boxed, or how many rounds fight fans thought he had won or how many times he had hurt Wilder. In the end that right hand of his finished the job!

[champion4ever]

Totally agree here, Ortiz look ooooooooooold and sloooooow and still won almost every round on any neutral boxing fans scorecard. That old dude made Wilder look really really bad. I also picked Wilder to win by knockout because Ortiz looked old and terrible in his last fight already and now with his high blood pressure and him getting even older he surely will have even more stamina issues and that showed. Wilder has good power, but there's a reason he has fought nothing but inhouse Haymon controlled fighters, as Ortiz is.

The rabbit punches from Wilder, the holding, then the doc suddenly giving Wilder extra time after he almost got stopped. Then the atrocious scorecards who all had Wilder up before the knockout. That is just purely disgusting and all set up to have that AJ unification where they all make a ton of cash and Wilder retires.

The HW division right now is the worst it has ever been.

Just let it go! You come across as a bitter and biased hater.Sometimes your favorite fighter wins and sometimes they lose but you always congratulate the winner. It's always nice to be gracious in defeat.

[Evil_Meat]

Lol I'm not the least bit surprised. TS is IMO hands down one of the worst posters on this website.