Im sorry but i rate wilder even less after that....

[Madison Boxing]

stand by the original post although maybe ive been a bit harsh, will say that wilder got the job done and well done to him. i just dont think much of any of these heavyweights, a really poor era. wilder obviously has shown hes a 'world class' heavyweight in this climate which is all he can do. i just cant say both guys stock rose because i thought ortiz looked awful with his lack of speed, stamina and heavy footwork but all these heavyweights have their limitations. judging from last night and with wilders weight too i really dont see why some of the top cruiser weights cant move up after the tourney and do big things in the division.

[stellen]

Typical loser talk

From the same loser posters

Doing anything they can to discredit Wilders win in a great fight

BS. You can't argue with the fact that an old age ortiz came into this fight out of shape. Almost guaranteeing that he would gas in the later rounds.

[R_Walken]

BS. You can't argue with the fact that an old age ortiz came into this fight out of shape. Almost guaranteeing that he would gas in the later rounds.

I got 1 ****** in another thread saying there should be a rematch

And another ****** saying that Ortiz is old out of shape and gassed.

But all doing the same thing hoping Wilder loses or trying to discredit the win because he’s a real threat to AJ and has his fans acting like females

Ortiz looked physically the same as he always does he’s never chiseled

he look great last night he was pressuring the whole fight was using good movement through out landing that jab and bombs through the whole fight

He was bouncing on his toes until the end ( but was gassed )

I know it’s a crazy idea that a HW fighter wasn’t as fresh in the 10th as the 1st ( newsflash neither was Wilder)

Just keep on discrediting the win it just makes you look like a female

[DARKSEID]

BS. You can't argue with the fact that an old age ortiz came into this fight out of shape. Almost guaranteeing that he would gas in the later rounds.

We weren't watching the same fight. I didn't see a gassed shot old man fighting wilder.

I saw a dangerous calculating seasoned veteran give it everything he had.

[Vinnykin]

You had too much too drink kid.....

Boxings not about FINISHING off a dangerous puncher sometimes . If you werent intoxicated you would know Wilder scored the 1st knock down (flash ) and Ortiz still won the next rnd .

Ortiz wasnt inactive he recently fought ....get outof here with the lying !


Stamina didnt play an issue as much as Ortiz showing to much patience . He was up on punch counts ,it was Wilder looking winded in the fight ....what did you watch ?


Wilder had the more hurting shots ,it was the deciding factor here ,in a fight OFF the score cards he woulve been behind had it went 12 at the tempo it was at .


It doesn't matter by YOUR logic both are overatted and fought nobodies bc by YOUR logic , Parker is better than Ortiz ? Why ? Hes younger !


Watch the LAST 5 RNDS ? Wilder was nearly finished in the 7th, in a fight that went 10 ????????

You're a moron, are you saying Ortiz didn't visibly slow? like I said watch the fight again with your blinkers off, it was like he was covered in glue in the 5th round, I don't care if he got Wilder in the 7th, he was still slow and tired at that point, by the 8th round he should have applied pressure, didn't have it in his locker, could barely throw a jab, certainly not enough in the tank to go for a stoppage, Wilder did, because he's younger and fitter, this is a young mans game.

[juggernaut666]

You're a moron, are you saying Ortiz didn't visibly slow? like I said watch the fight again with your blinkers off, it was like he was covered in glue in the 5th round, I don't care if he got Wilder in the 7th, he was still slow and tired at that point, by the 8th round he should have applied pressure, didn't have it in his locker, could barely throw a jab, certainly not enough in the tank to go for a stoppage, Wilder did, because he's younger and fitter, this is a young mans game.

And like i said take your beer goggles off ....if he was slow how was he OUT POINTING Wilder who is a fast puncher bc you need decent reflexes to accomplish that you simpleton .

I'll just leave this here for you and assess your Ortiz isnt a top fighter ******ED argument bc hes older !


Ortiz vs 5 opponents he hasnt fought !



1 .Ruiz is too short and heavy footed who has overatted power . What would make this guy more dangerous , inactivity and a less effective counter puncher bc he needs to be on top of you to land . To add to him hes an upright fighter who doesnt bend when throwing punches , hes the least threatening guy here .


2 .Miller .Nothing to suggest Miller is better just bc he applies constant pressure ,hes a stationary target who isnt fast and plans on taking 3 to land 1 . Hes more a threat than most think but not overly hard to figure out .


3.Pulev . What has this guy done in 4 years that anyone could put him over Ortiz ? A top fighter but hes too busy trying to avoid top guys , he wouldn't have the style nor power to be threatening like Ortiz .


4 .Breazeale . His biggest attribute LIKE Wilder is landing that hard shot to end fights . Very similar ,he has been behind in fights to land a thudding punch to take ppl out . Hes to slow and hittable for me to put over Ortiz even if he is heavier handed .


5 . Parker . He doesnt really have anything over Ortiz beyond speed . Hes lost already to Takam and Ruiz as far as im concerned but i will attribute that to he didnt fight a smart game plan . I think hes better than those guys .


Wilder . Well he just defeated Ortiz . He defeated him bc he did have the length ,speed and power . Would the above ? Nope .


Ortiz is a 6'4 true SHW , narrowly getting Wilder out of there . He could have gave himself a better chance to win had he used more body jabs and let his left go (there were openings ) . The fact is the southpaw is more skilled than anyone mentioned here and would be favored over anyone not named Wilder or Joshua .


Now go cry me some more rivers when proven wrong yet again in assuming Ortiz is washed up like a fool would based on nothing . !

[Vinnykin]

And like i said take your beer goggles off ....if he was slow how was he OUT POINTING Wilder who is a fast puncher bc you need decent reflexes to accomplish that you simpleton .

I'll just leave this here for you and assess your Ortiz isnt a top fighter ******ED argument bc hes older !


Ortiz vs 5 opponents he hasnt fought !



1 .Ruiz is too short and heavy footed who has overatted power . What would make this guy more dangerous , inactivity and a less effective counter puncher bc he needs to be on top of you to land . To add to him hes an upright fighter who doesnt bend when throwing punches , hes the least threatening guy here .


2 .Miller .Nothing to suggest Miller is better just bc he applies constant pressure ,hes a stationary target who isnt fast and plans on taking 3 to land 1 . Hes more a threat than most think but not overly hard to figure out .


3.Pulev . What has this guy done in 4 years that anyone could put him over Ortiz ? A top fighter but hes too busy trying to avoid top guys , he wouldn't have the style nor power to be threatening like Ortiz .


4 .Breazeale . His biggest attribute LIKE Wilder is landing that hard shot to end fights . Very similar ,he has been behind in fights to land a thudding punch to take ppl out . Hes to slow and hittable for me to put over Ortiz even if he is heavier handed .


5 . Parker . He doesnt really have anything over Ortiz beyond speed . Hes lost already to Takam and Ruiz as far as im concerned but i will attribute that to he didnt fight a smart game plan . I think hes better than those guys .


Wilder . Well he just defeated Ortiz . He defeated him bc he did have the length ,speed and power . Would the above ? Nope .


Ortiz is a 6'4 true SHW , narrowly getting Wilder out of there . He could have gave himself a better chance to win had he used more body jabs and let his left go (there were openings ) . The fact is the southpaw is more skilled than anyone mentioned here and would be favored over anyone not named Wilder or Joshua .


Now go cry me some more rivers when proven wrong yet again . !

I'm not even drunk you clown shoe, I've rewatched the fight and my assessment still stands, Ortiz visibly slowed before the mid point of the fight, his jabs had no snap after that, he was just looking for a looping left hand constantly and pawing his jab out trying to time Wilder, who was just posturing mostly..... that is why he outpointed WIlder, because Wilder wasn't even doing anything or throwing much, stop trying to make out Ortiz was using some speed and skills to outpoint Wilder, he was slow and Plodding and Wilder gets outpointed by Spzilka and Washington at distance lol

[juggernaut666]

I'm not even drunk you clown shoe, I've rewatched the fight and my assessment still stands, Ortiz visibly slowed before the mid point of the fight, his jabs had no snap after that, he was just looking for a looping left hand constantly and pawing his jab out trying to time Wilder, who was just posturing mostly..... that is why he outpointed WIlder, because Wilder wasn't even doing anything or throwing much, stop trying to make out Ortiz was using some speed and skills to outpoint Wilder, he was slow and Plodding and Wilder gets outpointed by Spzilka and Washington at distance lol

So by this idiotic assessment as usual , everyone can best Wilder ?


Wilder was hurt bad after 7 , if you actually knew ANYTHING it is taking a punch takes stamina out of you . Had Wilder not got the first knock down it may have been a different fight.

At the end of the day stating Ortiz is not a top guy bc his punch counts went down is as dumb as it gets anyway bc hes a counter puncher fighting a much lengthier guy so he had to wait for openings in the fight he was fighting you simpleton !

[Vinnykin]

Like everyoyone with a brain predicted, ortiz was a live dog unlike his age took over and he slowed to a crawl in the latter rounds. Ortiz is nearly 50 FFS.

Why can't people admit Ortiz was covered in glue in this fight? and it started drying in the 5th, by the 8th he could barely move

[Vinnykin]

So by this idiotic assessment as usual , everyone can best Wilder ?


Wilder was hurt bad after 7 , if you actually knew ANYTHING it is taking a punch takes stamina out of you . Had Wilder not got the first knock down it may have been a different fight.

At the end of the day stating Ortiz is not a top guy bc his punch counts went down is as dumb as it gets anyway bc hes a counter puncher fighting a much lengthier uy so he had to wait for openings in the fight he was fighting you simpleton !

I never said Ortiz wasn't a top guy! you are one of the biggest morons I have ever came across on this site, you can't admit you are wrong ever!

I told you yesterday that Ortiz is probably the most skilled guy in the division! in that sense he is No1 if you ONLY COUNT SKILLS!

I also told you that activity, speed, power and stamina were needed to APPLY those skills!

I knew if it went later rounds that Ortiz would feel the pace, I even predicted Wilder would try and windmill him as soon as he was buzzed or tired!

Everything I told you is correct, Ortiz is too old and inactive and untested over 12 rounds. Even Wilder said he had 4 good rounds in him before the fight, turns out he had 5, then he slowed, the fact that he caught Wilder in the 7th is not evidence he still had speed and wasn't tired, it's more a reflection of Wilder's defence, he should know the left is coming because Ortiz was telegraphing everything, a prime Fury/klitschko or even Joshua would see that left coming and either block it or slip and counter.

If you can't see Ortiz visibly gas and slow down in this fight then you outed yourself as either being a moron, or lying to save face.

You can't admit that Ortiz is old, slow and didn't have the stamina to compete over 12 rounds, you're done here.