Comments Thread For: Lomachenko To Linares: Let's Do This at 135, Do You Want It?

[daggum]

You have no idea how much he lost, or will continue to lose, but the goal was clearly to gain more control of US boxing and that goal was accomplished. Every year that goes by, his power grows.




His business has grown. It takes money to make money. We don't know what has been spent so far, but we do know that Haymon has a growing army of American world champions, and a virtual monopoly of a growing Showtime budget.

Nobody has more power in boxing than Haymon does. So isn't it possible he isn't a fool? And that perhaps you've either read false information about him or misunderstand his actions?

we know how much he lost his shareholders. its public record. hundreds of millions. every year his power grows...hmm yea i remember a couple years ago he had fights on every network every week...now hes confined to showtime and a couple crappy lower budget shows outside it. you call that growing? are you in opposite land sir? yes he has a monopoly on the showtime budget because he ran out of his own money. thats why his fighters almost never fight. he is confined to using showtimes budget which is a finite amount so his fighters have to sit idle and rarely fight. you are right he's playing three dimensional chess. hes really a stable genius like trump. losing money and going from being on 20 networks to one or two is the definition of taking over lmao

[jjsmyth87]

You have no idea how much he lost, or will continue to lose, but the goal was clearly to gain more control of US boxing and that goal was accomplished. Every year that goes by, his power grows.




His business has grown. It takes money to make money. We don't know what has been spent so far, but we do know that Haymon has a growing army of American world champions, and a virtual monopoly of a growing Showtime budget.

Nobody has more power in boxing than Haymon does. So isn't it possible he isn't a fool? And that perhaps you've either read false information about him or misunderstand his actions?

Actually Haymon is getting less powerful. Pbc has been a failure and squandered over a half billion and fighters are starting to jump ship while Showtimes ratings are in the dumps and Espn came in to take over the game with Top Rank. If anything Arum is gaining power while Haymon keeps taking L after L

[daggum]

The 3.5 million was obviously a lie. They were never confirmed and Showtime reported it being 1.2 mill spence and 600k peterson. If it was really 3.5 mill they would want everyone to know but its obviously fabricated. Money like that doesnt fall from the sky when its only going to sell 7000 tickets

its very possible haymon is using his own personal money to pay these guys behind the scenes so that they stay with him. if he is willing to lose tens of millions of dollars he can do this but its not sustainable. its short term thinking and an unwillingness to admit defeat.

if this is true this also doesnt change that mikey could fight anyone and still get this money since its not part of the official purse. he chose lipinets which means he is not interested in fighting good fighters or that haymon is bribing him and will only give him that big money if he fights bums.

[jjsmyth87]

its very possible haymon is using his own personal money to pay these guys behind the scenes so that they stay with him. if he is willing to lose tens of millions of dollars he can do this but its not sustainable. its short term thinking and an unwillingness to admit defeat.

if this is true this also doesnt change that mikey could fight anyone and still get this money since its not part of the official purse. he chose lipinets which means he is not interested in fighting good fighters or that haymon is bribing him and will only give him that big money if he fights bums.

Trust me theres no way they are paying these guys 3.5 mill when they would fight for a million which is what they are worth. What Pbc fighter do you know of that gets that much money having such low ratings. Garcia Lipinets will ve lucky to crack 700k views and more than 7000 tickets I guarantee you that. Even danny Jacobs only got a mill to fight Ggg. You can believe it if you want to but its just not true its obvious

[jjsmyth87]

Even Garcia abd Thurman only got 2 mill each and that was a huge fight and heavily hyped. And you want me to believe Garcia is getting almost their combined purse to fight a cab driver?

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we know how much he lost his shareholders.

Haymon Boxing is a private company and you have no idea how much shareholders have lost, if anything.

its public record. hundreds of millions.

Just because something is public record doesn't mean you know how to read or understand the words you are reading. One of his investors has written down the value of the investment. That doesn't mean the money itself is actually gone. You have no idea what you're talking about.

every year his power grows...hmm yea i remember a couple years ago he had fights on every network every week...

And he was able to use that exposure to raise the value of his fighters, convince more fighters to sign with him, and convince Showtime to significantly increase their boxing budget in order to keep Haymon's fighters.

Haymon has more control than ever of the Showtime budget and the Showtime budget is larger than ever. Haymon has more world champions than ever. His world champions are becoming more well known than ever.

yes he has a monopoly on the showtime budget because he ran out of his own money.

Think about how ****** you sound. In your version of events, he lost all of his leverage and because he had no leverage, Showtime decided to significantly increase their budget even though Haymon had nowhere else to go? Does that make any sense to you?

thats why his fighters almost never fight.

He has more dates than anybody for more money than anybody. Some fighters only fighting once a year doesn't change the fact that Haymon has more power and control of US boxing in 2018 than he had in 2015.

his fighters have to sit idle and rarely fight.

Like most trolls on this site, you always hold Haymon to a double standard. Go through the stables of any other major promoter or manager and you'll find countless fighters sitting on the shelf. It's the nature of the sport.

How many times did Andy Ruiz fight last year? How many times did Viktor Postol fight last year?

You ***** about Haymon because he's actually built a stable of fighters you care about watching. We could go through the Top Rank or Golden Boy stables and find plenty of fighters who only fought once or not at all.

[jjsmyth87]

Unless it came with a contract that would be the only way I could see it being true but Garcia says hes still a free agent and can fight on whatever network so theres no scenario to why they would pay him that much. It doesnt even matter I just hate when people buy into the Pbc bullshmidt

[Dr.Cool]

yeah the 3.5 million is probably bull but lets look at it...

there was this in october: IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. (22-0, 19 KOs) is promised a purse of $3.5 million for his next fight in December or January, according to Dan Rafael.

but then...

Spence's purse was a reported $1.2 million for the fight and Peterson took home $600,000 in a losing effort.

so that tells us either the 3.5 million is a lie or that haymon is paying them behind the scenes on top of their official purse. if haymon is paying them behind the scenes that means: the opponent doesnt matter at all since haymon is paying them outside of the contract, or two: haymon will only pay them that much if they fight certain opponents he wants aka protecting them. if hes willing to pay mikey 3.5 for lipinets but not linares that is grade a protection. bribing your fighters to fight bums? wow that would be low.

No one knows what Haymon promised Spence, besides Spence and Haymon. It just shows, that Rafael does not have access to Haymon, and cannot provide reliable information about PBC fighters. Show me where Spence said this. Spence was asked, and he didn't tell. Peterson was asked, and he didn't tell. No one else ever confirmed this. So, we can believe Rafael has some secret source who is involved with Haymon, that no one else has, or he is full of b.s. Considering his track record on stories about any fighters with Haymon, I think it is safe to say, Rafael received or invented false information on this front.

This came out because ODLH offered $2.5 million to Spence to fight Cotto, but he would also have to sign a long-term contract with GB. ODLH was saying, how he believes every fighter needs a promoter.
(more than a little ironic coming from the first ever self-promoting boxer).

However, I seriously doubt over 200 professional boxers, including many world champions, are staying with someone who promises purses than delivers purses a fraction of what was promised. Why would Spence be quiet, if he was promised $3.5 million but was only paid $1.2 million? Why would he still be with Haymon? Do you not think he has received offers from every promotional company for years? And Haymon is lying to him about his paydays? And Spence stays with the guy who promises him millions than pays a fraction of that?

Rafael has absolutely no credibility. You might as well quote an anonymous blog as Rafael, neither has any authority.

[MrShakeAndBake]

Loma is pretty cute guy for a Euro-bum, but I still hope Linares gets the job done and busts his face up (and his ARSE!!)

As of January 2018, Lomachenko is ranked as the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by ESPN;[5] second by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board;[6] and third by The Ring magazine[7] and BoxRec.

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for you anti white racist.

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I really like this fight, haven't seen Linares outboxed just outslugged, and he's the bigger guy with more pop. Should be a more interesting puzzle for Loma to solve than anything at his current weight class.