Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Raggamuffin]

And can't blow up Kell Brook and then compare how GG beat him and think that just because he was a big WW that GG beats Floyd on size alone. Floyd would beat Kell Brooks ass too, lmao.

[Elroy The Great]

its not the mismatch people make it out to be. canelo made 3g miss 500 punches and canelo isnt even about defense. true, 3g had to respect canelos power. in every may fight, the other guy has the power ''advantage'' vs may. does anyone here think may doesnt make 3g miss 80% of his punches while landing his typical counter shots at a 40+% click ?

you dont have to hurt a guy to win the fight. just land more.

that said, semi prime may wins a cw

[Mr Objecitivity]

Now you're just making excuses. Canelo was the naturally smaller man than GG and Canelo just schooled him. Canelo landed anything that he wanted to and GG got his face beat up and he was hit with hard clean body shots while Floyd was barely touched by Canelo. But that ain't skill huh, lmao. Haye Wlad didn't come down to size. That was the so called ex factor going in by armchairs. Haye they said...moved to much instead of sitting down and punching more. And it cost him the fight.

Wlad didn't use his size against Haye because he wasn't that type of fighter. Wlad utilized his reach in that fight like he was supposed to. But, Wlad couldn't let go of his shots because Haye moved too much. Haye didn't think that Wlad would stay in front of him the whole fight either. Neither guy truly got off. Strategy worked in Wlad's favor.

So you said that skills aren't important, size is huh? Utterly hilarious, lmao.

Floyd and Pac and many others are the perfect example of why guys like you are called clueless. You'll do anything to criticize this fighter to protect the fighter that you like.

What excuses have I made? I'm stating facts that have actually occurred.

How was Canelo Alvarez smaller in size compared to Gennady Golovkin? They were practically the same size, especially on fight night. Both regularly weigh above 170 pounds on fight night. Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't fight the version of Canelo Alvarez that Amir Khan did where he was allowed to rehydrate as much as he wanted. Hence the rehydration clause. These are facts!

Also, how exactly did Canelo Alvarez school Golovkin? How exactly do you even define 'schooled' in this context? Can you actually provide evidence that such a thing occurred? It's because I can provide evidence to the contrary. That Golovkin was the one who landed the higher number of effective punches and total punches. Golovkin landed more punches that snapped Canelo's head back and forced him to back up. These are facts! I will tag you on a new thread where I will present the evidence after I'm done.

Do you even know what it means to use size in boxing? What was Wlad doing when forcing David Haye on the back foot as much as he did if not using size? That happens when facing a guy who is physically much heavier and stronger. Imposing one's size means the following things:

1) Being able to inflict more damage and cause more effect on the opponent with every punch landed than vice versa.

2) Having higher resistance to punches landed by the opponent than vice versa.

3) Being able to use physical strength to force opponent into positions that is desirable.


It is clear that Wlad was utilizing all three things, especially the third.

Now compare that to Wlad's bout against Anthony Joshua. Was Wlad able to do the same to Joshua like he did to Haye? No! Why? Because Anthony Joshua is just as big as Wlad and can't be out muscled physically as easily. Joshua was able to come forward and gave up less ground because of his size.

Find me where I stated 'skills aren't important'. Skills are important. Weight is even more important. Why? Because weight division exists and not skills division. When someone has a significant weight advantage, being more skilled isn't always going to be enough to get a victory. Otherwise, Mayweather should be able to beat the likes of Dillian Whyte since he is so much more skilled?

Just so you know, I am a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan. However, I'm being reasonable. I'm not a delusional fan boy who thinks the boxer that I am a fan of can beat anybody and everybody. I understand Mayweather's limitations and it is the 147 pound weight division. There is a reason why he didn't fight above that outside catch weights and rehydration clauses.

Both Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather did beat heavier opponents. However, neither ever beat anybody as heavy as Golovkin. If they could, they would've done so and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. The fact that Mayweather never went up any further than 147 pounds proves that it's his limit. Sure, he can defeat heavier opponents but only up to a point. There comes a point where the size disadvantage is a bit too much.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Ortiz was 164 pounds on fight night against Floyd.

In other words, Floyd Mayweather Jr never fought anybody the same weight as Gennady Golovkin combined with the record that he has?

Golovkin weighs above 170 pounds on fight night a lot of the times.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Styles make fights, and Golovkin's style is to simply bore forward and let punches bounce off of his head.

No fighting off the back foot, no fighting off of your chest, no bait punching, very little catch-and-shoot, etc.

Maybe you need to watch more Golovkin fights, but you're attributing skills to him that he's never shown, lol.

What skills have I attributed to him that he hasn't shown? Go ahead and name one!

It is you that is attributing feats to Mayweather that he hasn't shown. He has never beat any opponent as heavy as Gennady Golovkin on fight night without rehydration clauses and catch weights.

Styles make fights! True! However, size and weight also makes fights and weight is a more important factor in deciding outcomes of bouts than styles. Hence, there exists weight divisions and not styles division. Styles matter most when two boxers are roughly the same weight.

Golovkin doesn't need to do any of those things you've mentioned. He simply needs to impose his physical size by forcing Mayweather into the back foot. He needs to out muscle Mayweather when both are close. He needs to throw punches on Mayweather after outmuscling Mayweather into positions that would make him vulnerable.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Lol, whatever floats your boat

What's that supposed to mean? Anyway, I will tag you on the thread very soon after I finish gathering the evidence.

[Mr Objecitivity]

yes thats exactly what im claiming, he could come in at 154 while gennadiy weighs 175 and would still beat him. because hes the far superior boxer . it doesnt matter how hard GGG hits or how big he is. hes not fast enough to consistently land hard shots on floyd and he would be missing almost everything he throws. he couldnt even connect on canelo consistently.

GGG's only shot to beat him is too land something hard and hope floyd goes down do to being the much smaller man. and if thats your gameplan against floyd you pretty much have nothing but a small punchers chance. also GGG is declining hes not the same guy he was a couple years ago. looks slow and sluggish lately.

Unfortunately, what your claiming is something Floyd Mayweather Jr has never done. In other words, your claim is baseless. If Mayweather could defeat opponents that heavy with such a weight disadvantage, he would've already done so. If he could do such a thing, he wouldn't have demanded a rehydration clause and a catch weight when he fought Canelo Alvarez. The evidence suggests the contrary.

Of course it matters how heavy Golovkin is, how strong he is and how powerful he is. Why do you think weight divisions exist and not speed divisions? Because weight is more important than speed. Vitali Klitschko is even slower than Golovkin. Do you think Mayweather has a chance to even survive a single round against Vitali Klitschko considering Chris Byrd gave him trouble? Do you now see the flaw in your logic when you're basing this bout, mainly on speed and not on more significant factors like weight?

Just so you know, Golovkin connected consistently on Canelo Alvarez. As in, Golovkin landed more than vice versa. What saved Canelo Alvarez was his size which provided him with the needed durability, strength and power.

GGG's chances are a lot higher than just landing one punch. he has the advantage to simply man handle Mayweather and put him into positions which will make Mayweather vulnerable to his punches by using his weight advantage (something he couldn't do as effectively to Canelo Alvarez because he didn't have the same weight advantage over Canelo Alvarez), This is a horrible losing battle for Floyd Mayweather Jr. All of his advantages such as speed is likely to be neutralized by the much heavier Golovkin

[Raggamuffin]

What excuses have I made? I'm stating facts that have actually occurred.

How was Canelo Alvarez smaller in size compared to Gennady Golovkin? They were practically the same size, especially on fight night. Both regularly weigh above 170 pounds on fight night. Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't fight the version of Canelo Alvarez that Amir Khan did where he was allowed to rehydrate as much as he wanted. Hence the rehydration clause. These are facts!

Also, how exactly did Canelo Alvarez school Golovkin? How exactly do you even define 'schooled' in this context? Can you actually provide evidence that such a thing occurred? It's because I can provide evidence to the contrary. That Golovkin was the one who landed the higher number of effective punches and total punches. Golovkin landed more punches that snapped Canelo's head back and forced him to back up. These are facts! I will tag you on a new thread where I will present the evidence after I'm done.

Do you even know what it means to use size in boxing? What was Wlad doing when forcing David Haye on the back foot as much as he did if not using size? That happens when facing a guy who is physically much heavier and stronger. Imposing one's size means the following things:

1) Being able to inflict more damage and cause more effect on the opponent with every punch landed than vice versa.

2) Having higher resistance to punches landed by the opponent than vice versa.

3) Being able to use physical strength to force opponent into positions that is desirable.


It is clear that Wlad was utilizing all three things, especially the third.

Now compare that to Wlad's bout against Anthony Joshua. Was Wlad able to do the same to Joshua like he did to Haye? No! Why? Because Anthony Joshua is just as big as Wlad and can't be out muscled physically as easily. Joshua was able to come forward and gave up less ground because of his size.

Find me where I stated 'skills aren't important'. Skills are important. Weight is even more important. Why? Because weight division exists and not skills division. When someone has a significant weight advantage, being more skilled isn't always going to be enough to get a victory. Otherwise, Mayweather should be able to beat the likes of Dillian Whyte since he is so much more skilled?

Just so you know, I am a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan. However, I'm being reasonable. I'm not a delusional fan boy who thinks the boxer that I am a fan of can beat anybody and everybody. I understand Mayweather's limitations and it is the 147 pound weight division. There is a reason why he didn't fight above that outside catch weights and rehydration clauses.

Both Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather did beat heavier opponents. However, neither ever beat anybody as heavy as Golovkin. If they could, they would've done so and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. The fact that Mayweather never went up any further than 147 pounds proves that it's his limit. Sure, he can defeat heavier opponents but only up to a point. There comes a point where the size disadvantage is a bit too much.

All of what you said is special ed repetitive. You keep repeating yourself. The reason you are even using this alt is probably because of your lack of reasoning.

GG didn't do **** in his fight with Canelo. The reason the fight was scored a draw is because of Canelo. And GG and Canelo weren't the same size. GG looked bigger than Canelo. And what you said about Haye and Joshua you should be taken out back and hit with 100 lashes. Wlad wasn't 41 years old and coming off a loss and lay off when he fought Haye.

The weight division **** that you're saying makes "0" sense.

And you can't provide any evidence that GG didn't get schooled by Canelo. We all saw that Canelo could do a thing he wanted with GG. GG was totally frustrated after the fight and you can see it in his face. He didn't have that same look after the Jacobs fight because he knew he won. He couldn't hit Canelo at all. Not with his signature punches.

Canelo reduces him to following which everyone questioned and a right hand, and Canelo shook his head "no" after that punch. He schooled him. Jabs, body shots, parrying, movement. GG needs a target to be still. Canelo' only mistake was moving too much.

And lastly, your weight/skills argument is about as weak as Olive Oyl. When you find out who Olive Oyl is let me know.

Your argument is weak. Don't repeat yourself because next time I won't write a long drawn out answer to combat your lunacy.

[Mr Objecitivity]

All of what you said is special ed repetitive. You keep repeating yourself. The reason you are even using this alt is probably because of your lack of reasoning.

GG didn't do **** in his fight with Canelo. The reason the fight was scored a draw is because of Canelo. And GG and Canelo weren't the same size. GG looked bigger than Canelo. And what you said about Haye and Joshua you should be taken out back and hit with 100 lashes. Wlad wasn't 41 years old and coming off a loss and lay off when he fought Haye.

The weight division **** that you're saying makes "0" sense.

And you can't provide any evidence that GG didn't get schooled by Canelo. We all saw that Canelo could do a thing he wanted with GG. GG was totally frustrated after the fight and you can see it in his face. He didn't have that same look after the Jacobs fight because he knew he won. He couldn't hit Canelo at all. Not with his signature punches.

Canelo reduces him to following which everyone questioned and a right hand, and Canelo shook his head "no" after that punch. He schooled him. Jabs, body shots, parrying, movement. GG needs a target to be still. Canelo' only mistake was moving too much.

And lastly, your weight/skills argument is about as weak as Olive Oyl. When you find out who Olive Oyl is let me know.

Your argument is weak. Don't repeat yourself because next time I won't write a long drawn out answer to combat your lunacy.

I'm repetitive but you're not? Perhaps evaluate yourself before evaluating others? I'm simply responding to your claims. If you make the same points, I will respond using the same counter-points.

GGG certainly did more than Canelo Alvarez did in their bout when it comes to fulfilling the main criteria of boxing (landing more effective punches on the opponent than vice versa). I can provide evidence and I will. I'll return back to you when I'm done in gathering the evidence. Question is, can you actually provide evidence of your claims? I very much doubt it! If you can, feel free to do so and I mean by a round by round basis. Cherry picking rare instances of one guy doing this or that is not solid evidence.

All of those points about GGG looking frustrated is your personal opinion. You can't prove that he really was, unless you can examine his internal feelings somehow? Otherwise, it's utter speculation! Also, boxing bouts are not judged by how frustrated a boxer looks either.

Also, the reason why the bout was scored a draw was due to incorrect judging. It's really as simple as that! It happens! Just like it happened when Roy Jones Jr got robbed from winning his gold medal at 1988 Olympics.

No, GGG didn't look bigger than Canelo Alvarez during their bout. GGG was shorter and stockier. Golovkin was taller and leaner. They looked roughly the same size to me overall.

Just for your information, being 41 years old doesn't prevent one from imposing their size and weight. That's just utter nonsense! George Foreman was older when he fought Michael Moorer and he managed to impose his size. Even if you want to discount the Joshua example because Wlad was 41 years old. Even a younger Wlad, when he fought heavier opposition such as the likes of Samuel Peter and Mariusz Wach, he wasn't able to impose his size as much against them as he did to David Haye because he wasn't that much, if at all heavier than them. Therefore, he wasn't as easily able to force them into positions that were favorable.

As long as weight divisions exist, my point about weight is totally valid and relevant. So no, it isn't weak as 'Olive Oyl' nor does it not make sense. It's based on something, which is the rule / law of boxing. On the other hand, what are your points based on? Exactly! Most of them are based on nothing what so ever! Ergo, it's your points that are nonsensical, irrelevant, weak, meaningless or a combination of those things. Merely claiming it's 'weak doe' doesn't make it weak. Merely claiming it 'makes no sense doe' doesn't mean it makes no sense. You have to substantiate your claims.

Also, I'll do whatever I please. You don't get to command me on what I should or shouldn't be doing. You feel free to do whatever!

[Raggamuffin]

I'm repetitive but you're not? Perhaps evaluate yourself before evaluating others? I'm simply responding to your claims. If you make the same points, I will respond using the same counter-points.

GGG certainly did more than Canelo Alvarez did in their bout when it comes to fulfilling the main criteria of boxing (landing more effective punches on the opponent than vice versa). I can provide evidence and I will. I'll return back to you when I'm done in gathering the evidence. Question is, can you actually provide evidence of your claims? I very much doubt it! If you can, feel free to do so and I mean by a round by round basis. Cherry picking rare instances of one guy doing this or that is not solid evidence.

All of those points about GGG looking frustrated is your personal opinion. You can't prove that he really was, unless you can examine his internal feelings somehow? Otherwise, it's utter speculation! Also, boxing bouts are not judged by how frustrated a boxer looks either.

Also, the reason why the bout was scored a draw was due to incorrect judging. It's really as simple as that! It happens! Just like it happened when Roy Jones Jr got robbed from winning his gold medal at 1988 Olympics.

No, GGG didn't look bigger than Canelo Alvarez during their bout. GGG was shorter and stockier. Golovkin was taller and leaner. They looked roughly the same size to me overall.

Just for your information, being 41 years old doesn't prevent one from imposing their size and weight. That's just utter nonsense! George Foreman was older when he fought Michael Moorer and he managed to impose his size. Even if you want to discount the Joshua example because Wlad was 41 years old. Even a younger Wlad, when he fought heavier opposition such as the likes of Samuel Peter and Mariusz Wach, he wasn't able to impose his size as much against them as he did to David Haye because he wasn't that much, if at all heavier than them. Therefore, he wasn't as easily able to force them into positions that were favorable.

As long as weight divisions exist, my point about weight is totally valid and relevant. So no, it isn't weak as 'Olive Oyl' nor does it not make sense. It's based on something, which is the rule / law of boxing. On the other hand, what are your points based on? Exactly! Most of them are based on nothing what so ever! Ergo, it's your points that are nonsensical, irrelevant, weak, meaningless or a combination of those things. Merely claiming it's 'weak doe' doesn't make it weak. Merely claiming it 'makes no sense doe' doesn't mean it makes no sense. You have to substantiate your claims.

Also, I'll do whatever I please. You don't get to command me on what I should or shouldn't be doing. You feel free to do whatever!

Go tell that **** to someone who cares. You didn't make one single point in your long, boring, drawn out repetitive responses. You don't even realize that you're repeating yourself which is what's tripping me out..lmao.