Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Scipio2009]

No, there was a rehydration clause in the Mayeather vs Canelo Alvarez bout.
Unlike when Canelo fought Amir Khan or Golovkin. In addition, Floyd Mayweather Jr also fought Canelo Alvarez at a catch weight of 152 pounds. So if weight didn't matter to Floyd Mayweather Jr as much as you're claiming, then why would he demand those stipulations? Fact is, you're giving Mayweather credit for feats he hasn't displayed. In fact, some of your claims are contradicted by what Mayweather has done himself. Even if you disregard the rehydration clause, the catch weight did happen.The fact that it did, proves that weight does matter to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Also, Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

As far as Maidana and Cotto are concerned, neither are as big as Golovkin. So therefore, they're irrelevant!

Yes, Golovkin did impose his size. Do you even know what it means to impose one's size? A heavier boxer usually has the following advantages over the lighter opponent:

1) Better punch resistance.

2) More effect / damage inflicting potential with every punch landed.

3) Ability to dominate the ring by controlling the position of the opponent.


Very rarely do lighter boxers manage to control the center of the ring against significantly heavier opponents.

When Golovkin was coming forward against Kell Brook, walking through nearly every punch Kell Brook threw without showing any respect for Kell Brook's power and not being discouraged / dissuaded by Kell Brook's punches. What exactly was that, other than 'imposing one's size'? Keep in mind that Kell Brook was heavier than Golovkin on fight night. Yet, Kell Brook could still barely hurt Golovkin. What do you think would happen to a much weaker and lighter Mayweather if even Kell Brook failed to discourage Golovkin? Answer is, at the very least, he would most likely suffer the same fate!

Golovkin did the following things to 'impose his size':

1) Forced Kell Brook to give up more ground compared to
any of Kell Brook's other bouts. He did this by throwing
punches that were more effective / powerful than any of
Brook's previous opponents.

2) Rarely gave up ground because Kell Brook's punches
and strength didn't have the same effect on him than
vice versa. So Kell Brook was unable to deter Golovkin
or force him to back up much.

3) Was able to inflict more damage with single punches than Kell Brook could with the multiple punches. Hence, no surprise Kell Brook's eye socket was damaged. it was due to the power of Golovkin's punches which caused it to happen.


Based on what you wrote, it doesn't even seem like you understand / know what it means for a boxer to 'impose their size'. If a boxer imposes their size, it means they force the opponent into the back foot, forcing them to give up ground and forcing them to be on the defensive more frequently than vice versa. It means they will inflict more damage with every punch they land than vice versa.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter how skilled Mayweather is defensively. If Mayweather doesn't first have the power to deter Golovkin and if Golovkin is able to walk through any of Mayweather's punches repeatedly without having any respect for his punches, power and strength, then Mayweather simply can't win this. One can't simply just evade an opponent for 12 rounds without first having something that discourages the opponent from constantly coming forward and chasing. Canelo Alvarez was able to with his power and strength. Floyd Mayweather doesn't. Therefore, Mayweather can't win this with the weight disadvantage.

Antonio Margarito imposes his size on you. The size question is different, but Shawn Porter and others imposes size.

Keep the pressure, put the opponent under duress, force them to navigate getting space, and fire well within the range of where the opponent can fight effectively.

Golovkin has done that never.

Keep trying to spin if you want

[Mr Objecitivity]

Horrible MarGGGarito logic. The same people who thought Jacobs and Ca$hnelo would be brutally stopped.

Floyd outboxes MarGGGarito to a one-sided decision with lots of clinching and pot shots. MarGGGarito could land some with his jab, but he's just so damn slow to do anything else and Floyd is too fast and has too many tools to fall into any trap "3 punch" MarGGGarito has

Merely claiming "horrible logic doe" doesn't make it so. It remains an unsubstantiated claim until you substantiate it. Therefore, that claim lacks any value until it is substantiated.

Furthermore, I'm not the one who thought Golovkin would KO Daniel Jacobs or Canelo Alvarez. So perhaps stop with the generalization?

I guess whilst we're at it, Mayweather also beats Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev and all the other guys that he is faster than and has more tools than, right? Except:

1) Speed divisions don't exist and weight divisions do.
Therefore, weight is a more significant factor in deciding outcomes of boxing bouts compared to speed. In other words, with everything being equal (quality wise), the heavier boxer is more likely to beat the faster boxer than vice versa.

2) Floyd Mayweather Jr doesn't have any feats to suggest he can beat someone with the combination of size + quality as Gennady Golovkin. As in, Floyd beat nobody with the record that is as good as Golovkin's at 160 pounds who is also just as big.


Therefore, your claims are baseless speculations! No different from me claiming Golovkin would beat Mike Tyson at heavyweight.

[Mr Objecitivity]

If there was a rehydration clause, what did Alvarez have to weigh on the night of the fight?

Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night according to the fight night weigh in.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Antonio Margarito imposes his size on you. The size question is different, but Shawn Porter and others imposes size.

Keep the pressure, put the opponent under duress, force them to navigate getting space, and fire well within the range of where the opponent can fight effectively.

Golovkin has done that never.

Keep trying to spin if you want

Imposing one's size is merely using the weight advantage one has over the opponent. So it's a boxer who merely uses the advantages that the boxer will have over their lighter opponent by being heavier. I've already listed those advantages of being heavier.

Furthermore, Golovkin does provide pressure on his opponents. Golovkin does force his opponents to give up ground. These are things he does do. Saying he doesn't do those things is like me claiming Floyd Mayweather jr doesn't use the shoulder roll or isn't defensively responsible. Total error of some of the MOST obvious facts!

Also, it's one thing for a boxer to impose size. It's another thing for an elite boxer with one of the best record to impose size. There is a reason why David Haye managed to beat Nikolay Valuev but failed against Wladimir Klitschko. Both imposed their size but only one of them was truly elite (Wladimir Klitschko). So the comparisons between Gennady Golovkin and Antonio Margarito is a false equivalence. Could Mayweather beat someone the size of Golovkin that is a journeyman / bum / low level boxer? For sure! However, does he have the feats to suggest he can beat someone the size of Golovkin who also has one of the best record of his era, in a weight division that Mayweather has never fought in? Absolutely not!

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Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night according to the fight night weigh in.

There wasn't a rehydration clause your making that up.

[Mr Objecitivity]

There wasn't a rehydration clause your making that up.

Canelo Alvarez did not weigh above 170 pounds. I've checked the fight night weigh ins. I'm not making that part up. There was most certainly a catch weight at the very least. That part can't be disputed!

Those accomplishments for Mayweather are irrelevant in this bout. This bout has no catch weights. It's being fought at 160 pounds. Neither Mayweather or Golovkin are allowed to weigh above 160 pounds during the official weigh in. Whilst either can rehydrate as much during fight night.

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Canelo Alvarez did not weigh above 170 pounds. I've checked the fight night weigh ins. I'm not making that part up. There was most certainly a catch weight at the very least. That part can't be disputed!

Those accomplishments for Mayweather are irrelevant in this bout. This bout has no catch weights. It's being fought at 160 pounds. Neither Mayweather or Golovkin are allowed to weigh above 160 pounds during the official weigh in. Whilst either can rehydrate as much during fight night.

Gee you jump to conclusions , a CW is not a rehydration clause get that straight.

The reason he was lighter fight night is because to make 152 he carried less mass, which in turn means he wont go up as high as he would weighing heavier at the weigh-in, they don't dry out more they lose body mass which inturn holds less water.

The problem in all this is you don't understand how it works, youre a typical fan that reads numbers but has no clue as to how the numbers translate to the body.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Gee you jump to conclusions , a CW is not a rehydration clause get that straight.

The reason he was lighter fight night is because to make 152 he carried less mass, which in turn means he wont go up as high as he would weighing heavier at the weigh-in, they don't dry out more they lose body mass which inturn holds less water.

The problem in all this is you don't understand how it works, youre a typical fan that reads numbers but has no clue as to how the numbers translate to the body.

I'm not claiming a catch weight is a rehydration clause. You're attacking a straw-man! I understand they are two separate things.

Your point actually supports my argument. Which is the fact that because Floyd Mayweather Jr needed a catch weight to fight Canelo Alvarez, questions his chances of beating an elite natural 160 pound boxer at 160 pounds without there being catch weight restrictions.

[hugh grant]

It's not about MarGGGarito. Floyd is simply old. Fuck MW...Floyd couldn't beat at least a dozen JWW, WW, or SWW guys.

Now younger Floyd...let's say the Marquez Floyd...would school MarGGGarito. Floyd had the legs, endurance/stamina, power, and chin to keep MarGGGarito confused and ineffective for 12 rounds.

Chin? Floyd's never been hurt and nobody can say MarGGGarito's power is all that...because his power has looked ordinary after fighting guys above cab-driver status.

I don't see a way prime MarGGGarito could have beaten prime Floyd, period. However, if the fight happened TODAY I'd take MarGGGarito to win via stoppage because of...age.

This whole post is just condoning Floyd not going out on shield and cherry picking to preserve unbeaten record for as long as possible
You can't just talk who Floyd can beat potentially in his prime. Is that why he dodged brook and Thurman and Spence to fight berto and Connor instead as he'd lose to them like he would to GGG. And Floyd fans weren't upset at Floyd for dodging those big boys also
F!oyd beat nelo out of prime didn't he? But then nelo weren't in prime and it was cw.
So its more about Floyd needing to fight someone when not expected to win. Why didn't he fight Sergio Martinez when younger then? Floyd and his fans thought he'd beat him at 160 as well they claim?
Floyd could have took a 16o challenge much earlier

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I'm not claiming a catch weight is a rehydration clause. You're attacking a straw-man! I understand they are two separate things.

Your point actually supports my argument. Which is the fact that because Floyd Mayweather Jr needed a catch weight to fight Canelo Alvarez, questions his chances of beating an elite natural 160 pound boxer at 160 pounds without there being catch weight restrictions.

You specifically said there was a rehydration clause, there wasn't.

He didn't need the CW he said it will make the task easier.