Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Reloaded]

Canelo is not a WW, your talking rubbish. Yeah he beat both but was robbed against one of them. Jacobs KO'd Mora twice, your not even bringing good examples to back up your hate.

Bute got Ko'd and Direll got beat, 2 guys bigger than GGG. Jacobs came in massive against GGG as well and he got dropped and beat.

I would take you more seriously if you actually put some good points across, all your doing is hating on GGG like so many other people on here like to do.

Canelo was a WW came from WW.

What hate lol I think G is a very good fighter just not the ATG fanboys want him to be and his resume is full of ordinary MWs , take a good hard look at his resume is rather bland and I have no doubt Ward beats the breaks of him, just because I don't put him on a pedestal doesn't mean I hate him I think there are truck load of historys MWs that beat him because he is one dimensional with power.

[Raggamuffin]

'Skill' is subjective. Can you actually prove that he is more skilled in an objective manner? Otherwise, it just remains a subjective claim that is unsubstantiated.

Record is objective. Golovkin has a far superior record at 160 pounds than Floyd Mayweather jr. Therefore, he is the more impressive 160 pound boxer. Therefore, he is more likely to win.

You could refer to certain attributes such as speed, reflexes, power and so forth so on. However, a boxer doesn't necessarily carry those same abilities from a lower weight division to a heavier weight division. Considering that speed is one of Mayweather's strengths, there is no guarantee that he would carry his speed to 160 pounds with the extra mass and be as effective as a result.

That's why weight divisions exist. Success in one division doesn't automatically mean success in a different weight division. This is why David Haye, despite being the best cruiserweight in the world during his time failed to beat Wladimir Klitschko and beecome the number 1 heavyweight in the world. Why? Because he did not carry all his attributes with the same effect to heavyweight.

Floyd and Pac moved up in weight and beat bigger men using skill so your weight division argument is weak.

You can give these long drawn out uniformative answers all day long and it won't change the fact that Floyd has more skills. Floyd does everything better than GG and he does this in big fights.

Canelo gave GG hell while Floyd cruised to an easy win. And Floyd did it because Floyd has better defense than GG, he's faster, has a better jab, better lateral movement, he throws better body shots in big fights, and Floyd parrys with punches better.

Your 160 argument is very weak. Even your Haye Wlad argument is weak. Wlad held maybe a 30 lbs weight advantage, and that fight came down to strategy not skill.

[GGG Gloveking]

Canelo was a WW came from WW.

When was Canelo a welterweight?

[Scipio2009]

You are speculating heavily. One could easily speculate that Golovkin may have adjusted to that tactic of Kell Brook as well.

Who are you comparing him to when you claim Golovkin doesn't land well on moving targets? I can assure you he definitely does! Everyone would struggle to land on moving targets more than stationary targets. That's just common sense! However, Golovkin does better against moving targets than non-elite boxres.

You're also heavily speculating at what Floyd could do in a fight against Golovkin at 160 pounds. Feats he absolutely never displayed what so ever! If you seriously think he could beat Golovkin at 160 pounds and subsequently rule the division, then why didn't he when he had the opportunity too a few years earlier? If a boxer is able to compete at a heavier weight division than their current one, they most likely would! If a boxer could compete at the heaviest weight division, they most likely would! If they didn't, it means they probably couldn't comfortably compete in that weight division.

Floyd Mayweather jr needed to fight Canelo Alvarez at a catch weight with a rehydration clause imposed where Canelo Alvarez couldn't weigh above a specific weight at fight night. Why would he need those things if he was so good that he could beat Golovkin at 160 pounds without any catch weight? Do you realize how irrational it is to assume Floyd Mayweather Jr could just step up to 160 pounds and beat the best 160 pound boxer of his era?

I never said that Floyd could rule the division; I said he could beat Golovkin. Floyd's not going to bother with Jermall Charlo, Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders, Ryota Murata, and other middleweight fighters because they'd not only be big as **** (none of them would even sideways talk about heading back down to 154lbs for anything), but they'd also be dynamic fighters with more tools to contend with.

Roy Jones found the one of the few heavyweight champions that his style could beat, prepped for the fight, and took his shot.

Golovkin is Floyd's John Ruiz; basic, up and down, with no special effects, while also not being a giant middleweight (to hear his camp tell it)

[RussB23]

How can you use Canelo Alvarez's performance against Golovkin at 160 pounds to deduce that Floyd Mayweather could beat Golovkin at 160 pounds? There are weight divisions for a reason!

Chris Byrd made Vitali Klitschko miss a lot of punches and made him quit too. Yet, do you seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr would survive more than a single round against Vitali Klitschko?

In other words, it's not just Canelo Alvarez's defensive skills, but also his size (weight) which was a significant factor to his relative success against Gennady Golovkin. Something Floyd Mayweather Jr would lack heavily!

Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't have a single fight at 160 pounnds. If he could do all of those things you've mentioned to the best 160 pound boxer of the last decade, then why didn't he move up and do it when he still had the chance? Why didn't he move up to 160 pounds and develop a better legacy than Golovkin after beating him at 160 pounds? It's because, it's more likely 147 pounds was his maximum limit in terms of physically competing against somebody in size.

You're assuming Floyd is going to make Golovkin kiss 100% of all his punches. That simply ain't going to happen. He has been hit by lesser boxers already like Maidana. Having just slightly better 'boxing skills' isn't going to help him much against Golovkin if Golovkin walks through Mayweather's punches and physically controls him. If he does those things, Golovkin is going to eventually land some meaningful punches. Mayweather isn't just going to be able to evade the punches if Golovkin physically man handles Mayweather. Opponents his own size couldn't do that. Golovkin, being the much heavier boxer could and therefore neutralize Floyd Mayweather Jr's evasiveness / defensive skills.

He wouldnt even have to come in at 160. He could come in at at like 156 and probably would. Canelo isnt that much bigger than floyd. Sure he weighs more but look at them side by side.


Floyd is a far superior boxer to both gennadiy and canelo. I was saying if canelo can box well against GGG and make him miss the majority of what he threw, floyd can do that even better. GGG is so much slower than floyd, and canelo is a fast guy but floyd make him look like he was in quicksand when they fought hes just on a different level. Its really not out of the question that he could just move around GGG a full 12 to a coasting decision. He would frustrate GGG for sure even canelo was at times. It would be very hard to for GGG to land clean on him.

[Scipio2009]

I've done a film study on Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin. Watched it in super slow motion (0.25 speed) whilst scoring the bout. Guess what? Gennady Golovkin didn't lose any more than 3 rounds (maximum) in the entire bout if we are purely scoring the bout based on 'effective punches' landed. It was a landslide victory for Golovkin if the bout was scored using that particular criteria. I've done the same with Golovkin vs Daniel Jacobs as well and came to the exact same conclusion

Don't worry, I will create a thread and post all the gifs of all the effective punches each boxer landed in each round to prove how Golovkin won that bout lopsidedly against Canelo Alvarez.

If you scored that fight as no worse than 9-3 Golovkin, you're just as deluded as Adelaide Byrd was.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Floyd and Pac moved up in weight and beat bigger men using skill so your weight division argument is weak.

You can give these long drawn out uniformative answers all day long and it won't change the fact that Floyd has more skills. Floyd does everything better than GG and he does this in big fights.

Canelo gave GG hell while Floyd cruised to an easy win. And Floyd did it because Floyd has better defense than GG, he's faster, has a better jab, better lateral movement, he throws better body shots in big fights, and Floyd parrys with punches better.

Your 160 argument is very weak. Even your Haye Wlad argument is weak. Wlad held maybe a 30 lbs weight advantage, and that fight came down to strategy not skill.

You've made some irrelevant points!

The feats of either guy at any other weight division except at 160 pounds is irrelevant. This bout is taking place at 160 pounds. Therefore, they must prove their qualities at 160 pounds with their feats and accomplishments.

Floyd Mayweather Jr may have moved up in weight and beat opponents in heavier weight divisions. It just means that he is proven in those weight divisions. However, he has never moved up to middleweight and beat any 160 pound boxer at 160 pounds. Therefore, he is totally unproven there.

I really don't care about 'skills'. I look at a boxer's record and accomplishments and if a boxer is truly skilled, their skills will manifest itself into positive results. The most skilled boxers will have the best records. Golovkin has the best record at 160 pounds for the last decade. Therefore, he is a very skilled 160 pound boxer who has proven his skills in that division. Whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't!

Golovkin fought Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds. Whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr fought Canelo Alvarez at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. Explain how that's the same thing. Floyd Mayweather's success against Canelo Alvarez below 160 pounds is again, IRRELEVANT because it was at a catchweight with a rehydration clause. Unfortunately for Mayweather in this bout, there isn't any rehydration clauses or catch weights. It's taking place at 160 pounds (where Mayweather is totally feat-less).

You merely claimed my argument x or y or z is weak without any explanation on how it is. Therefore, it isn't weak!

The Wlad vs Haye bout came down to size. David Haye had more speed than Wlad, had better head movement than Wlad and had better counter punching than Wlad. Guess what? All of those advantages were neutralized / negated / nullified by Wlad because of his size. His size meant he was physically too strong to allow haye to use any of those advantages to good effect. The same thing is likely to happen in this bout between Golovkin and Mayweather. Skills mean nothing when someone is significantly heavier and subsequently stronger. Mayweather can be as skilled as he wants, but do you think he stands a chance at surviving a single minute against a chimpanzee inside the boxing ring, despite the fact that he is significantly more skilled than theat chimp? Skills aren't that important. Weight is. That's why weight divisions exist and not skill division. Skills only matter most when two boxers are of the same weight.

[Mr Objecitivity]

If you scored that fight as no worse than 9-3 Golovkin, you're just as deluded as Adelaide Byrd was.

Actually no, I'm not deluded because I've got solid evidence to back that position up. It's not just an unsubstantiated claim. That evidence is going to be posted on a different thread in a few days time.

[Mr Objecitivity]

He wouldnt even have to come in at 160. He could come in at at like 156 and probably would. Canelo isnt that much bigger than floyd. Sure he weighs more but look at them side by side.


Floyd is a far superior boxer to both gennadiy and canelo. I was saying if canelo can box well against GGG and make him miss the majority of what he threw, floyd can do that even better. GGG is so much slower than floyd, and canelo is a fast guy but floyd make him look like he was in quicksand when they fought hes just on a different level. Its really not out of the question that he could just move around GGG a full 12 to a coasting decision. He would frustrate GGG for sure even canelo was at times. It would be very hard to for GGG to land clean on him.

So you're claiming that Mayweather at 156 pounds is going to beat Golovkin weighing above 160 pounds on fight night? Except, that's something he has never done. He has never beaten anybody the size of Gennady Golovkin. The closest was Canelo Alvarez and he fought him at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. Therefore, that tells me what I need to know about Mayweather's confidence and subsequently his chances against Golovkin or Canelo Alvarez when they aren't restricted by catch weights or rehydration clauses. Unfortunately for Mayweather, he isn't going to be fighting Golovkin at a catch weight with a rehydration clause for this proposed bout. It's an official 160 pound match.

A dehydrated Canelo Alvarez may look the same size as Floyd Mayweather jr for the weigh in. However, on fight night when both are fully hydrated, there is a significant difference in size between both.

Also, your argument that Canelo Alvarez gave Golovkin difficulties that therefore Mayweather would also give Golovkin the same difficulties or more is terribly flawed. It ignores the fact that Canelo Alvarez was also the same size as Golovkin on fight night. It wasn't just skills that allowed him to survive. It was his size, physical strength and power. Golovkin had to respect those things. You can put Guillermo Rigondeaux (a guy who is so much more slick, elusive and defensively proficient than Canelo Alvarez) in the ring against Gennady Golovkin and Rigondeaux would probably not survive a single round. Why? because of size! Canelo Alvarez is less skilled defensively than Rigondeaux or Mayweather but survived 12 rounds against Golovkin. Mayweather and Rigondeaux are more skilled but they are less likely to survive due to the size difference. Understand that weight is the most significant factor in deciding outcomes of bouts. Hence why weight divisions exist.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I never said that Floyd could rule the division; I said he could beat Golovkin. Floyd's not going to bother with Jermall Charlo, Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders, Ryota Murata, and other middleweight fighters because they'd not only be big as **** (none of them would even sideways talk about heading back down to 154lbs for anything), but they'd also be dynamic fighters with more tools to contend with.

Roy Jones found the one of the few heavyweight champions that his style could beat, prepped for the fight, and took his shot.

Golovkin is Floyd's John Ruiz; basic, up and down, with no special effects, while also not being a giant middleweight (to hear his camp tell it)

Gennady Golovkin has a better 160 pound / middleweight record than all of those other boxers you've mentioned. Yet, according to you, Floyd Mayweather Jr has a better chance at beating Golovkin than those others guys at 160 pounds?

Unfortunately for Floyd Mayweather jr, he has fought nobody the same size and weight as Gennady Golovkin without catchweights and rehydration clauses. The only boxer close to that was Canelo Alvarez but he fought him at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. If he had to do that against Canelo Alvarez, then what makes you think he could just go to 160 pounds and beat Golovkin in his first bout without catch weights or rehydration clauses? Chances are, it's unlikely Floyd Mayweather jr even beats Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds without catch weights and rehydration clauses. The fact that Mayweather fought Canelo with those stipulations tells me what I need to know about Mayweather's confidence and chances against opponents of such size.

Also, the John Ruiz comparison remains a false equivalence logical fallacy. Golovkin is the best middleweight of his era and is the best middleweight champion of his era. On the other hand, John Ruiz was the worst heavyweight champion of his era. Therefore, Mayweather fighting Golovkin would be similar to Roy Jones Jr fighting someone like Lennox Lewis (the best heavyweight champion of that era).