Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[RussB23]

So you're claiming that Mayweather at 156 pounds is going to beat Golovkin weighing above 160 pounds on fight night? Except, that's something he has never done. He has never beaten anybody the size of Gennady Golovkin. The closest was Canelo Alvarez and he fought him at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. Therefore, that tells me what I need to know about Mayweather's confidence and subsequently his chances against Golovkin or Canelo Alvarez when they aren't restricted by catch weights or rehydration clauses. Unfortunately for Mayweather, he isn't going to be fighting Golovkin at a catch weight with a rehydration clause for this proposed bout. It's an official 160 pound match.

A dehydrated Canelo Alvarez may look the same size as Floyd Mayweather jr for the weigh in. However, on fight night when both are fully hydrated, there is a significant difference in size between both.

Also, your argument that Canelo Alvarez gave Golovkin difficulties that therefore Mayweather would also give Golovkin the same difficulties or more is terribly flawed. It ignores the fact that Canelo Alvarez was also the same size as Golovkin on fight night. It wasn't just skills that allowed him to survive. It was his size, physical strength and power. Golovkin had to respect those things. You can put Guillermo Rigondeaux (a guy who is so much more slick, elusive and defensively proficient than Canelo Alvarez) in the ring against Gennady Golovkin and Rigondeaux would probably not survive a single round. Why? because of size! Canelo Alvarez is less skilled defensively than Rigondeaux or Mayweather but survived 12 rounds against Golovkin. Mayweather and Rigondeaux are more skilled but they are less likely to survive due to the size difference. Understand that weight is the most significant factor in deciding outcomes of bouts. Hence why weight divisions exist.

yes thats exactly what im claiming, he could come in at 154 while gennadiy weighs 175 and would still beat him. because hes the far superior boxer . it doesnt matter how hard GGG hits or how big he is. hes not fast enough to consistently land hard shots on floyd and he would be missing almost everything he throws. he couldnt even connect on canelo consistently.

GGG's only shot to beat him is too land something hard and hope floyd goes down do to being the much smaller man. and if thats your gameplan against floyd you pretty much have nothing but a small punchers chance. also GGG is declining hes not the same guy he was a couple years ago. looks slow and sluggish lately.

[Real King Kong]

When a guy starts at 130 moves and wins 5 divisions and has never been close to 160 even on fight night then 160 is a fantasy fight lol , so really you just shot yourself in the head.

As fighters go Floyd is so much better than GGG its not even debatable, so carry on with your fantasy fight as that's the only way you can beat Floyd.

Can you verify this claim? seems to me, Floyd's fight night weights were withheld some fights. I mean, are you saying the Floyd that dehydrated to the point of needing an emergency iv didn't rehydrate to anywhere near 160?

[Scipio2009]

Actually no, I'm not deluded because I've got solid evidence to back that position up. It's not just an unsubstantiated claim. That evidence is going to be posted on a different thread in a few days time.

Lol, whatever floats your boat

[Scipio2009]

Gennady Golovkin has a better 160 pound / middleweight record than all of those other boxers you've mentioned. Yet, according to you, Floyd Mayweather Jr has a better chance at beating Golovkin than those others guys at 160 pounds?

Unfortunately for Floyd Mayweather jr, he has fought nobody the same size and weight as Gennady Golovkin without catchweights and rehydration clauses. The only boxer close to that was Canelo Alvarez but he fought him at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. If he had to do that against Canelo Alvarez, then what makes you think he could just go to 160 pounds and beat Golovkin in his first bout without catch weights or rehydration clauses? Chances are, it's unlikely Floyd Mayweather jr even beats Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds without catch weights and rehydration clauses. The fact that Mayweather fought Canelo with those stipulations tells me what I need to know about Mayweather's confidence and chances against opponents of such size.

Also, the John Ruiz comparison remains a false equivalence logical fallacy. Golovkin is the best middleweight of his era and is the best middleweight champion of his era. On the other hand, John Ruiz was the worst heavyweight champion of his era. Therefore, Mayweather fighting Golovkin would be similar to Roy Jones Jr fighting someone like Lennox Lewis (the best heavyweight champion of that era).

Styles make fights, and Golovkin's style is to simply bore forward and let punches bounce off of his head.

No fighting off the back foot, no fighting off of your chest, no bait punching, very little catch-and-shoot, etc.

Maybe you need to watch more Golovkin fights, but you're attributing skills to him that he's never shown, lol.

[elfag]

Floyd schools him, look at their common opponent. Floyd shut out Canelo on the cards and GGG struggled greatly with Canelo. Even if you think GGG beat Canelo, he barely beat him and had the hardest fight of his life. For floyd it was a walk in the park. Completely two different fighters. Floyd schools GGG.

[elfag]

Can you verify this claim? seems to me, Floyd's fight night weights were withheld some fights. I mean, are you saying the Floyd that dehydrated to the point of needing an emergency iv didn't rehydrate to anywhere near 160?

floyd weighs 160 out of camp, with sweat pants, shoes and a jacket on.

floyd aint no 160 on fight night and you know that bruh.

when you free yourself of bias then you can judge more accurately. but you are agenda driven so whatever

[Reloaded]

Can you verify this claim? seems to me, Floyd's fight night weights were withheld some fights. I mean, are you saying the Floyd that dehydrated to the point of needing an emergency iv didn't rehydrate to anywhere near 160?

Im saying there is not a single verified weight of Floyd ever being over 153 lbs on fight night anywhere, so how about we stick to what is fact and forget the speculation.

If you knew what you were talking about regarding dehydration we could have a conversation but I know you don't know anything other than the word nor anything about degrees of dehydration and my days of going around a Ferris wheel are over.

Go and research the amount of dehydration taking 750 ml in a 150lb athlete, I,ll give you a hint Ive put 2000 ml into a 63lb Greyhound because he traveled badly and vomited the day before he was raced he was dehydrated but not at all severe just enough to upset a high performance animal about to perform.

You guys suffer from having a little information and then running away with the fairies.

[Jedi Vader]

Gennady Golovkin has a better 160 pound / middleweight record than all of those other boxers you've mentioned. Yet, according to you, Floyd Mayweather Jr has a better chance at beating Golovkin than those others guys at 160 pounds?

Unfortunately for Floyd Mayweather jr, he has fought nobody the same size and weight as Gennady Golovkin without catchweights and rehydration clauses. The only boxer close to that was Canelo Alvarez but he fought him at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. If he had to do that against Canelo Alvarez, then what makes you think he could just go to 160 pounds and beat Golovkin in his first bout without catch weights or rehydration clauses? Chances are, it's unlikely Floyd Mayweather jr even beats Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds without catch weights and rehydration clauses. The fact that Mayweather fought Canelo with those stipulations tells me what I need to know about Mayweather's confidence and chances against opponents of such size.

Also, the John Ruiz comparison remains a false equivalence logical fallacy. Golovkin is the best middleweight of his era and is the best middleweight champion of his era. On the other hand, John Ruiz was the worst heavyweight champion of his era. Therefore, Mayweather fighting Golovkin would be similar to Roy Jones Jr fighting someone like Lennox Lewis (the best heavyweight champion of that era).

Ortiz was 164 pounds on fight night against Floyd.

[hugh grant]

Floyd schools him, look at their common opponent. Floyd shut out Canelo on the cards and GGG struggled greatly with Canelo. Even if you think GGG beat Canelo, he barely beat him and had the hardest fight of his life. For floyd it was a walk in the park. Completely two different fighters. Floyd schools GGG.

Lol don't you feel even a little guilty in not acknowledgeing Floyd's cw and that nelo was much improved by the time he fought GGG?
I suppose you'll give PAC credit for destroying dlh, hatton and cotto then I guess? Probably not. And you'll give Floyd credit for beating jmm but not PAC for beating jmm 3 times

[Raggamuffin]

You've made some irrelevant points!

The feats of either guy at any other weight division except at 160 pounds is irrelevant. This bout is taking place at 160 pounds. Therefore, they must prove their qualities at 160 pounds with their feats and accomplishments.

Floyd Mayweather Jr may have moved up in weight and beat opponents in heavier weight divisions. It just means that he is proven in those weight divisions. However, he has never moved up to middleweight and beat any 160 pound boxer at 160 pounds. Therefore, he is totally unproven there.

I really don't care about 'skills'. I look at a boxer's record and accomplishments and if a boxer is truly skilled, their skills will manifest itself into positive results. The most skilled boxers will have the best records. Golovkin has the best record at 160 pounds for the last decade. Therefore, he is a very skilled 160 pound boxer who has proven his skills in that division. Whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't!

Golovkin fought Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds. Whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr fought Canelo Alvarez at a catch weight with a rehydration clause. Explain how that's the same thing. Floyd Mayweather's success against Canelo Alvarez below 160 pounds is again, IRRELEVANT because it was at a catchweight with a rehydration clause. Unfortunately for Mayweather in this bout, there isn't any rehydration clauses or catch weights. It's taking place at 160 pounds (where Mayweather is totally feat-less).

You merely claimed my argument x or y or z is weak without any explanation on how it is. Therefore, it isn't weak!

The Wlad vs Haye bout came down to size. David Haye had more speed than Wlad, had better head movement than Wlad and had better counter punching than Wlad. Guess what? All of those advantages were neutralized / negated / nullified by Wlad because of his size. His size meant he was physically too strong to allow haye to use any of those advantages to good effect. The same thing is likely to happen in this bout between Golovkin and Mayweather. Skills mean nothing when someone is significantly heavier and subsequently stronger. Mayweather can be as skilled as he wants, but do you think he stands a chance at surviving a single minute against a chimpanzee inside the boxing ring, despite the fact that he is significantly more skilled than theat chimp? Skills aren't that important. Weight is. That's why weight divisions exist and not skill division. Skills only matter most when two boxers are of the same weight.

Now you're just making excuses. Canelo was the naturally smaller man than GG and Canelo just schooled him. Canelo landed anything that he wanted to and GG got his face beat up and he was hit with hard clean body shots while Floyd was barely touched by Canelo. But that ain't skill huh, lmao. Haye Wlad didn't come down to size. That was the so called ex factor going in by armchairs. Haye they said...moved to much instead of sitting down and punching more. And it cost him the fight.

Wlad didn't use his size against Haye because he wasn't that type of fighter. Wlad utilized his reach in that fight like he was supposed to. But, Wlad couldn't let go of his shots because Haye moved too much. Haye didn't think that Wlad would stay in front of him the whole fight either. Neither guy truly got off. Strategy worked in Wlad's favor.

So you said that skills aren't important, size is huh? Utterly hilarious, lmao.

Floyd and Pac and many others are the perfect example of why guys like you are called clueless. You'll do anything to criticize this fighter to protect the fighter that you like.