Comments Thread For: Hearn: Inactive Fighters Calling Non-Stop Since Jacobs Signing!

[killakali]

Haymon has you booted over.

who promotes Selby and DeGale? We know there adviser is Haymon and we know Hearn was their promoter. We shall wait for you answer. Don't be scared

[killakali]

Who knows more Fat Dan or a mentally challenged Kigali with zero connections in boxing?

[Eff Pandas]

And you keep calling him a manager. Stop. A manager negotiates with promoters to get his figher best fight, conditions and purse possible. Haymon is directly contacting networks, venues etc. He may have the manager or adviser title but you and I know he is much more than that. What type of manager just breaks off a site fee to someone like Lou Dibella or Tom Brown who are basically site coordinators for Haymon. You know what it is

You said what a manager does then you named some extra things Haymon does that any manager could do too. So yea he does more than a standard manager, but other managers have done extra too.

But yeah there is clearly problems right now and something will have to break sooner or later so we shall see what breaks I guess.

[killakali]

You said what a manager does then you named some extra things Haymon does that any manager could do too. So yea he does more than a standard manager, but other managers have done extra too.

But yeah there is clearly problems right now and something will have to break sooner or later so we shall see what breaks I guess.

other managers could negotiate network deals and pay a promoter a flat fee to promoter their fighter's fight?

Sure thing...you don't even believe that

[Eff Pandas]

other managers could negotiate network deals and pay a promoter a flat fee to promoter their fighter's fight?

Sure thing...you don't even believe that

Yes. They can do that. Why couldn't they do that? Floyd was doing that before PBC was a thing. I believe SRL's manager controlled his career more than any promoter did too. Devin Haney has just been getting on random cards here & there & fighting in Mexico while avoiding signing with a promoter too. I'm sure there have been others as well.

This era has bowed down to promoters too much in my eyes. Promoters have far more control then they've ever had. People say Haymon is trying to be a promoter, but the reality is promoters are more managers today or trying to be. Arum has shown that with how well he steered Manny & his other fighters the way he wanted to steer them. And look at how well Oscar steered Canelo away from GGG for nearly two years. Fighters & their managers don't even control their own destiny like they used to.

[killakali]

Yes. They can do that. Why couldn't they do that? Floyd was doing that before PBC was a thing. I believe SRL's manager controlled his career more than any promoter did too. Devin Haney has just been getting on random cards here & there & fighting in Mexico while avoiding signing with a promoter too. I'm sure there have been others as well.

This era has bowed down to promoters too much in my eyes. Promoters have far more control then they've ever had. People say Haymon is trying to be a promoter, but the reality is promoters are more managers today or trying to be. Arum has shown that with how well he steered Manny & his other fighters the way he wanted to steer them. And look at how well Oscar steered Canelo away from GGG for nearly two years. Fighters & their managers don't even control their own destiny like they used to.

this is just wrong.

Devin Haney pays for his own spots on cards lol. Why do u think he fights in Mexico so much. It's a lot cheaper.

Floyd? He didn't negotiate until he had his own promo company. Just like Oscar etc. Floyd's promo company has been around a long time.

Whatever u want to say about Oscar he did the right thing. He waited till Canelo was older and bigger and till ggg slowed down a little bit. He did Canelo a favor. He learned that from floyd who fought guys a lot towards the end of their careers when they had seemingly slowed down (Pac Cotto Mosley Berto not that it would matter when he fought Berto)

Besides all that Canelo made more money by waiting to fight ggg.

[Eff Pandas]

this is just wrong.

I don't think it is.

This generations promoters have grabbed too much power away from fighters & manager & control the sport like they've never controlled the sport before that I'm aware of or outside of the old old Dempsey days anyway. Managers & fighters have less control of their destiny then they ever have ONCE they sign to a promoter. You only got your freedom for real when you aren't locked into a sketchy ass promoter contract.

Every manager can do exactly what Haymon is doing & other cats did before Haymon. Haymon didn't invent a f#cking thing. He's just doing it on a wider scale.

Devin Haney pays for his own spots on cards lol. Why do u think he fights in Mexico so much. It's a lot cheaper.

Yea I'm just saying he's one of the more in the light prospects yet he's not signed with a promoter. And he's not with Haymon. Plenty of guys don't sign with promoters & make it in the sport cuz relatively few cats are actually signed to a promoter.

Floyd? He didn't negotiate until he had his own promo company. Just like Oscar etc. Floyd's promo company has been around a long time.

Whats that got to do with anything? He did his own thing without a contract signed long term promotional deal. When he did it is of lil importance.

Whatever u want to say about Oscar he did the right thing. He waited till Canelo was older and bigger and till ggg slowed down a little bit. He did Canelo a favor. He learned that from floyd who fought guys a lot towards the end of their careers when they had seemingly slowed down (Pac Cotto Mosley Berto not that it would matter when he fought Berto)

Besides all that Canelo made more money by waiting to fight ggg.

If you care about money then paying a flat fee is always going to get fighters better paydays. If Canelo doesn't eventually cut free from Oscar he's lighting money on fire cuz there is lil promotion masterminding that goes into selling Canelo at this point.

[killakali]

I don't think it is.

This generations promoters have grabbed too much power away from fighters & manager & control the sport like they've never controlled the sport before that I'm aware of or outside of the old old Dempsey days anyway. Managers & fighters have less control of their destiny then they ever have ONCE they sign to a promoter. You only got your freedom for real when you aren't locked into a sketchy ass promoter contract.

Every manager can do exactly what Haymon is doing & other cats did before Haymon. Haymon didn't invent a f#cking thing. He's just doing it on a wider scale.



Yea I'm just saying he's one of the more in the light prospects yet he's not signed with a promoter. And he's not with Haymon. Plenty of guys don't sign with promoters & make it in the sport cuz relatively few cats are actually signed to a promoter.



Whats that got to do with anything? He did his own thing without a contract signed long term promotional deal. When he did it is of lil importance.



If you care about money then paying a flat fee is always going to get fighters better paydays. If Canelo doesn't eventually cut free from Oscar he's lighting money on fire cuz there is lil promotion masterminding that goes into selling Canelo at this point.

lots of journeyman fighters don't have promoters because no one wants to sign then. Don't you get it? Fighters want promoters so they can get guaranteed fights, purses etc. Sure if you want to be the b side you can b the Dereck Edwards, Derrick Findley type that no good fighter wants to be, getting fights on short notice, smaller money etc.

Why do you think guys like Danny Jacobs are signing with promoters? Yeah u can sign with Haymon and not add a promoter and just sit on the sidelines and fight once a year. Haymon's contracts don't have a minimum amount of fights per year but a promoters do. Who do you think all of those fighters who called Hearns are signed to managerialwise? Haymon of course. They are tired of not fighting. U think Abner Mares after destroying Cuellar in December wanted to wait all the way until October to get another fight? And a tune up at that? Or Spence? This dude probably already has Hearn, Top Rank, GBP all saying they will keep him more active.

We know Wilder wanted to be back in July but has to wait till November.

As for Haney, you do know that he wants to sign with a promoter right? They are building him up to 25-30 wins by the time he is 20 and then will sign when they can get a bigger signing bonus and purses. They are looking to make bigger money later than what they get now.

Compare him to say Teofimo Lopez. Top Rank has gotten him 5 fights I think this year plus he had a 50k signing bonus plus his purses for his fights. They wanted that security early where Haney is skipping that and actually losing money on his career early on.

It all depends on what you want to do. Look at Verdejo. He has banked several hundred thousand dollars, gotten favorable matchmaking and looks very suspect. Seems like he made a smart move.

There are lots of examples

[soul_survivor]

I'd love to see Spence sign with Hearn. Hope he's the next guy Hearn does a deal with.

And glad to see Hearn getting these calls cuz he's the best promoter in the game in my eyes today & him coming to the US is a potential game changer for this market cuz mfers are gonna need to put in work to keep up with Hearn. Hearn, unlike most American promoters, actually knows how to promote his fighters +/& maybe more importantly an event.

You clearly aren't from the UK if you think he's the best promoter around.

[TheBigLug]

Wilder is a champ an has nearly 100% KO's but no one knows him.. What has DiBella done for him?

This is very true and something i've been saying for a long time.

Wilder should be a star in USA. You can talk about his resume all you want but the casual market doesn't care. An American Heavyweight that is 38-0 with 37KO's and the current WBC world champion would have been a huge star in USA in the past, regardless of resume. He simply hasn't been promoted correctly to the wider audience.

One could say that Boxing doesn't have the same popularity in USA that it once did, but really it just takes someone like that to spark it back up. Joshua has been a big part of the rise in popularity of boxing in the UK and that was before he even fought Wlad and had no notable wins. Wilder should have been promoted in the same way. He would have been if he had a man like Hearn behind him, no doubt.

As i say, Wilder ticks all the boxes, except for a great resume which 95% general public don't care much about anyway as they don't know their Luis Ortiz from their Chris Arreola anyway.