Comments Thread For: Hearn: Inactive Fighters Calling Non-Stop Since Jacobs Signing!

[Eff Pandas]

You clearly aren't from the UK if you think he's the best promoter around.

Who's the best promoter then in your eyes?

I think he's above average at worst cuz the average bigger platform, non-club show promoter is like a semi-successful car salesman on one of those tiny 8 space for cars type lots.

[al-Xander]

Hearn will soon find out why it's extremely difficult to make top fighters fight each other in 'merica. To top it off, ratings and PPV numbers are the be all and end all, instead of the gates.

[Eff Pandas]

lots of journeyman fighters don't have promoters because no one wants to sign then. Don't you get it? Fighters want promoters so they can get guaranteed fights, purses etc. Sure if you want to be the b side you can b the Dereck Edwards, Derrick Findley type that no good fighter wants to be, getting fights on short notice, smaller money etc.

Yea I'm not saying that most of the guys without promoters are doing it by choice, but there are some cats who are doing it by choice is all I'm getting at.

It all depends on what you want to do.

Well yea. Thats what I'm saying. And some cats want to control their own destiny more & get more money for this already dangerous business. I'm not saying having a promoter is 100% bad. I'm not saying not having a promoter is 100% good. I'm saying promoters have too much power today & thats lead to more issues with boxing then anything else being brought up in this thread.

I'm not saying that being with Haymon & Haymon having limited TV dates when he has a ton of TV fighters is a good thing or that Jacobs is making a bad move. I think more Haymon guys should jump to HBO or elsewhere so that Haymon can actual not be so backlogged with his few TV dates he currently has.

And hell if Haymon secures some big TV deal & needs more fighters back with him like Jacobs Jacobs can fulfill his deal with HBO & Hearn & comeback to free agency to maximize his upside & have more control again.

[soul_survivor]

Who's the best promoter then in your eyes?

I think he's above average at worst cuz the average bigger platform, non-club show promoter is like a semi-successful car salesman on one of those tiny 8 space for cars type lots.

LOL

Fair enough, I can't argue with your definition.

In my eyes, as much as I dislike him, Warren is the best promoter, not just in the UK but possibly in the game and I base that on putting out consistent and consistently good boxing cards. Boxnation is awesome and it has 90% of the best fights from the US and beyond. All he needs is a star, which he hasn't had for a while but I'd rather a promoter with no single BIG star and a contingent of very good fighters.

I'm not sure if the US has something similar but Boxnation has been a revelation for boxing in the UK and a lot of the smaller promoters/managers/fighters thank it for literally saving their livelihoods.

[Eff Pandas]

LOL

Fair enough, I can't argue with your definition.

In my eyes, as much as I dislike him, Warren is the best promoter, not just in the UK but possibly in the game and I base that on putting out consistent and consistently good boxing cards. Boxnation is awesome and it has 90% of the best fights from the US and beyond. All he needs is a star, which he hasn't had for a while but I'd rather a promoter with no single BIG star and a contingent of very good fighters.

I'm not sure if the US has something similar but Boxnation has been a revelation for boxing in the UK and a lot of the smaller promoters/managers/fighters thank it for literally saving their livelihoods.

Warren are you sh^tting me? Granted BoxNation was a really good idea & I think he's a smart businessman for getting that up & running, but as a boxing promoter he's run of the mill in my eyes & is better at picking out talent then he is at putting together big fights & competitive fights. His shows are usually sh^t shows where the red corner wins all night long. He's like the UK version of that Sampson L guy with picking out talent doe I'll give him that, but his matchmaking guy sucks **** & I don't see him good at hyping a damn thing.

Randomly if I was casting a movie he'd make for a good President/Prime Minister type figure as he looks very professional & classy (til he opens his mouth usually so it'd have to be a part with not much dialogue).

[sicko]

“You don’t promote fighters during a seven- or eight-week camp. You promote fighters 365 days a year"

That is a mentality that is so need here in the States from Promoters! Last promoter that did that was Don King! Yeah King unfortunately stole from a lot of people but no question when he was on top Boxing was doing numbers both on PPV and on HBO and Showtime (with Tyson) that makes today's numbers look Laughable when you have fans celebrating a 1 Million rating or 300K+ PPV Buys

Been posting for awhile that Hearn is going to do great in the US and I think it will happen rapidly!

Yes I do think it is a few Haymon fighters who should be looking to sign with Hearn and need a Promoter to get to that next level in their careers. Haymon is just their Adviser he looks over deals and make sure his client is getting what they're suppose to get. If his Clients wants to sign with a Promoter they can!

This trying to take Mayweather path of not having a promoter I don't see that working for anybody else especially guys who don't have the Personality or Balls to become the Villain in boxing and ruffle some feathers to get people's attention even if it means saying ****** stuff you truly don't believe but know it will make headlines before your fights

The problem Eddie will have and he will learn is that it is a Divide among fans and Boxing Media. Boxing Media take sides here in America. ESPN won't cover or talk about any other boxing events besides what they have going on with Bob Arum and Top Rank. Fox Sports did not talk about GGG vs Canelo AT ALL! This is a problem for the sport of boxing this divide and drawing lines is killing the sport ratings wise and PPV Buys Wise

[soul_survivor]

Warren are you sh^tting me? Granted BoxNation was a really good idea & I think he's a smart businessman for getting that up & running, but as a boxing promoter he's run of the mill in my eyes & is better at picking out talent then he is at putting together big fights & competitive fights. His shows are usually sh^t shows where the red corner wins all night long. He's like the UK version of that Sampson L guy with picking out talent doe I'll give him that, but his matchmaking guy sucks **** & I don't see him good at hyping a damn thing.

Randomly if I was casting a movie he'd make for a good President/Prime Minister type figure as he looks very professional & classy (til he opens his mouth usually so it'd have to be a part with not much dialogue).

Warren is the second biggest promoter in the UK and has many connections and not so long ago was the premier guy. Without him, a lot of the smaller shows wouldn't exist because Hearn doesnt promote them and Sky dont have enough money with that horrendous matchroom deal.

Plus there are plenty of competitive fights throughout but the sad reality is most promoters are now in the game banking on some names so have to feed them too much fodder.

[Eff Pandas]

Warren is the second biggest promoter in the UK and has many connections and not so long ago was the premier guy. Without him, a lot of the smaller shows wouldn't exist because Hearn doesnt promote them and Sky dont have enough money with that horrendous matchroom deal.

Yea to me he's like a UK version of Arum. He's sorta not feeling it & kinda phones it in a lot these days but still finds or gets the talent doe kinda guy.

Plus there are plenty of competitive fights throughout but the sad reality is most promoters are now in the game banking on some names so have to feed them too much fodder.

Thats the enemy of fans doe. Thats why I say Hearn is the best guy out there today on the planet. I don't know who the f#ck some of these UK guys are at the lower levels, but when I look guys up & their opponents there are so many even-ish fights or compelling matchups on his cards I don't know how he does it sometimes. Whoever his matchmaker is is a bad mofo.

And at the end of the day thats why I watch boxing. I wanna see competitive fights today. I don't care so much about tomorrow or the next big PPV. Not those things won't become important when those events are todays events, but there is a lot to be said for being a promotion that has some level of quality assurance, lets say, thats higher than other promoters. Thats the number 1 thing I get from Hearn's shows that no other promoter provides me on as consistent a basis.

[BennyBlanco]

You are high right? Hearn has multiple stars. Joshua? That is just one. Who had Carl Froch and 80k in Wembley. Who had Frampton before? Who built DeGale, Selby, Kell Brook, etc? Hearn's dad was there before Eddie.

I think you must have just started watching boxing.

Why would Haymon have Selby and DeGale leave Hearn if that is an example? The night I served 2000 MC's

Frampton? When the Hearns had him, no one knew who he was. They did nothing to make him bigger.

Selby is something to brag about? Or Kell Brook, who Eddie cashed in on by serving him up to GGG when he has no business fighting a middleweight, and now Brook is ruined? DeGale doesn't sell a ticket anywhere. He hasn't even fought in the UK since 2014. He's no star there, and he's certainly not one here.

If your calling cards are a mishandled Brook, a pre-well known Frampton and Selby & DeGale, you're on pretty shaky ground as a promoter.

Selby is something brag

[BennyBlanco]

Why do you think guys like Danny Jacobs are signing with promoters?

What other guys are signing with promoters? More specifically, what other Haymon guy signed with a promoter? None. It's one guy. One guy doesn't make a trend.

Yeah u can sign with Haymon and not add a promoter and just sit on the sidelines and fight once a year. Haymon's contracts don't have a minimum amount of fights per year but a promoters do.

Or you can sign with Top Rank and fight a whopping twice a year, like Crawford and Ramirez - and then get frozen out when you won't extend your deal, like Mikey Garcia did.

Or you can sign with Golden Boy and fight a whopping twice a year, like JoJo Diaz and Jason Quigley.

Oh yeah, that's soooo much better than Haymon.

Signing with a promoter doesn't necessarily solve the activity problem.