Comments Thread For: GGG's Promoter: Judge Who Scored Draw Must Also Take Blame!

[Red_Menace]

Well they ain't saying they get to choose the referees, merely approve them - which is what happens anyway. If a ref or a judge has turned in a scorecard which has been widely criticised as suspect I'd say it's reasonable to expect a team to object to their being used a second time. And my reading of the comment about Bryds scoring system not suiting GGGs style is that Loeffler is trying to diplomatically call her scoring ****.

Having one card a draw isn't particularly objectionable to me, hell, I ain't losing sleep over the fight being a draw even though I had Golovkin winning clearly in a tough hard fought bout. The problem is more that every newspaper article I've seen, every report on mainstream sports sites seems to have been deeply critical - not just of the absurd Byrd scorecard, but of the result itself and the sport as a whole. I'm just wondering what we're doing wrong, although I don't pretend to have the answers. Boxing has always been a sport of the masses - a populist sport - hell, in the early decades many fights were scored by crowd acclamation or the newspapers - I'm just speculating that we may have lost our way somewhat.

I do think he's referring directly to selecting judges for a future match to make sure they have the judges they think will give them the best results. That shouldn't happen. If they're able to reject a judge, it should only happen if the promoter responsible for the other fighter agrees, but really it shouldn't happen at all. If you have two fighters under the same promoter they could easily influence the judge selection to favour the fighter they want to win.

One of the simplest thing boxing could do is switch to 5 judges. The impact of a bad judges scorecard would be minimized. You'd need two or three bad cards to have a real impact. If they can't get it right with 5 cards, then all hope is lost.

[Canelo and GGG]

Well they ain't saying they get to choose the referees, merely approve them - which is what happens anyway. If a ref or a judge has turned in a scorecard which has been widely criticised as suspect I'd say it's reasonable to expect a team to object to their being used a second time. And my reading of the comment about Bryds scoring system not suiting GGGs style is that Loeffler is trying to diplomatically call her scoring ****.

Having one card a draw isn't particularly objectionable to me, hell, I ain't losing sleep over the fight being a draw even though I had Golovkin winning clearly in a tough hard fought bout. The problem is more that every newspaper article I've seen, every report on mainstream sports sites seems to have been deeply critical - not just of the absurd Byrd scorecard, but of the result itself and the sport as a whole. I'm just wondering what we're doing wrong, although I don't pretend to have the answers. Boxing has always been a sport of the masses - a populist sport - hell, in the early decades many fights were scored by crowd acclamation or the newspapers - I'm just speculating that we may have lost our way somewhat.

nah ,there is allways critic for football in europe ,judges officiele etc ,its still most popular sport here ,Boxing is haveing biggest PPVs ever recently.

[angkag]

You sound so much like i would expect her to that I am going to go along with this...

What are you talking about not scoring jabs u idiot.. If a boxer is dictating the pace of the fight, putting the opponent where they want them and snapping their head back all with their jab, you're not going to score it? You sound like you don't know **** about boxing.

All the public polls, coaches, boxers, journalists and boxing community as a whole overwhelmingly scored it for 3G.
Is everyone wrong and you are right?

R&R, you do realise you were responding to a poster named A.Byrd right ?

[kidaguilar]

I have no problem with Moretti's score of 114-114. It was a close fight. Some judges give more credit to a fighter who continually makes the aggressor miss! However Byrd's score of 118 in this fight, combined with her score of 114 for Canelo vs. Mayweather, disqualifies her from EVER being a judge in a Championship fight, in my opinion!

I agree. This fight was a lot closer than people think. you can easily give Canelo the first three rounds and i have no problem with scoring the last three rounds for canelo as well. that's a tie in itself. no robbery at all. People are assuming that GGG was somehow dominate because he was the aggressor but a lot of GGG punches were ineffective and a lot of punches missed. I admire GGG'S will and determination but also thought that Canelo looked great at times defensively.

[Citizen Koba]

I do think he's referring directly to selecting judges for a future match to make sure they have the judges they think will give them the best results. That shouldn't happen. If they're able to reject a judge, it should only happen if the promoter responsible for the other fighter agrees, but really it shouldn't happen at all. If you have two fighters under the same promoter they could easily influence the judge selection to favour the fighter they want to win.

One of the simplest thing boxing could do is switch to 5 judges. The impact of a bad judges scorecard would be minimized. You'd need two or three bad cards to have a real impact. If they can't get it right with 5 cards, then all hope is lost.

Can't disagree with that. I'm uncertain on the introduction of new technologies or, say the use of referee replays. The traditionalist in me struggles with the idea, but if it'd help reduce controversy then maybe it ain't such a bad idea.

[The Comic DON]

You sound so much like i would expect her to that I am going to go along with this...

What are you talking about not scoring jabs u idiot.. If a boxer is dictating the pace of the fight, putting the opponent where they want them and snapping their head back all with their jab, you're not going to score it? You sound like you don't know **** about boxing.

All the public polls, coaches, boxers, journalists and boxing community as a whole overwhelmingly scored it for 3G.
Is everyone wrong and you are right?

Did all the public polls, coaches, boxers, and journalist get paid to judge the fight or did they have to pay to watch the fight?

I had the best seat in the house with the best glasses money can buy in the house. You think some armchair critic scorecard is better than that of an official Las Vegas judge with several years of experience?

Golovkin was supposed to kill Canelo but last I checked you don't kill anyone with a jab which is why I don't count them.

[kafkod]

The judging can be improved, I'm sure. I can understand the complaints about Byrd's score, which was too wide even for people who thought Canelo won.

But this article is about a judge that scored the fight a draw. Is a draw really that extreme that he should be openly criticizing that judge in public?

And wtf is this quote?
"We wouldn't be hesitant about coming back to Nevada but we'd be more selective with the officials that were assigned," Loeffler said to Sky Sports. "[Byrd's] scoring system doesn't fit GGG's style, so that gives an argument not to have her involved.

This is a promoter actively talking about selecting judges to suit the style of their fighters. Is that really a positive message that fans want to hear, or that would play well with people who already think boxing is corrupt?

Edit:
Imagine Real Madrid, the NY Yankees or Dallas Cowboys saying they'll only play games where they get to select referees that will suit their teams style, or a tennis player selecting their own umpire. Is that what fans really want?

Loeffler isn't saying he wants to select the judges himself. He's saying he doesn't want Byrde to judge any more of GGG's fights.

If Real Madrid played in a cup final and the ref disallowed multiple goals scored by their players without any coherent reason, do you think they would want that ref in charge of any of their future games?

Boxers and boxing promoters can always oject to the officials appointed for their fights. Sometimes those objections are acted upon, sometimes not.

Earlier today the ref appointed for the Parker/Fury HW title fight was replaced after an objection by Parker's promoter.

[Bigg Rigg]

I don't think anyone can hate on a judge scoring that fight a draw.

[bronx7]

Kid Aguilar if Canella made ggg miss all night how did he land 50 more punches more punches in 10/12 rounds and tons of more power jabs and have canella on the run all night backwards?

[angkag]

Did all the public polls, coaches, boxers, and journalist get paid to judge the fight or did they have to pay to watch the fight?

I had the best seat in the house with the best glasses money can buy in the house. You think some armchair critic scorecard is better than that of an official Las Vegas judge with several years of experience?

Golovkin was supposed to kill Canelo but last I checked you don't kill anyone with a jab which is why I don't count them.

But Adalaide, why did you cry afterwards ? Surely you should be up on the table screaming at the injustice of the criticism you received, taking to social media to teach everyone how to score a fight properly. Grow a pair girl ! Tears just tell us you've been a naughty girl.

Oh wait, this is social media.....props.