Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Canelo Took Mayweather Fight Too Soon, Better for It

[bigdunny1]

I'm saying look at what Oscar did when he was among the best guys in his division. And now look at what Oscar's fighter is doing when he's among the best guys in his division. Are you legit telling me you don't see a difference in how Oscar was moved, L or nah, & how Canelo is moved?



What am I revisioning? I think you are being wayyyyy to serious about something obvious.

Oscar rode his career til the wheels fell off & now he's controlling Canelo's career like its a piece of china. I feel like Oscar is holding Canelo back. I think active fighters would fight anyone. I think their promoters are the ones reining them in more often then not these days or just have so much control that fighters, for their own reasons, just stay uninvolved.




Like I said ducking conversations are the debates the dummies here have. I don't really believe in ducking by fighters. Canelo would fight anyone. I think most fighters we talk about the most on this forum would fight anyone. I believe in avoidance by promoters or influencing their boxers career trajectory by offering more or less money for opponents they'd rather have their guy fight vs opponents they'd rather not have their guy fight & various sh^t like that.

Yes you are now after the fact screaming how great Oscar resume was but the reality is he had tons of haters and critics. Many accused Arum of carefully matching Oscar. Again I remember all the guys fans said Oscar wouldn't fight and when he did they made excuses to discredit those wins. I remember when fans screamed that Arum is protecting Oscar and again FACT fans were calling for and had to wait for Oscar/Tito longer then we have had to wait for Canelo/GGG. Canelo being treated like a piece of china yet you can't name a single fight that fans demanded that Canelo hasn't taken? And Oscar made Canelo/GGG faster then it took Bob Arum to make Oscar/Tito? Canelo started fighting top p4p ranked fighters at an earlier age then Arum put Oscar in with a top p4p ranked fighter?

I lived through Oscar's career and already named the fighters that fans screamed he was ducking, fans screamed that he was draining himself to beat up on small fighters, that he was cherry picking old guys. Oscar's resume looks great as time goes by but at the time the same BS we see with Canelo was going on. He's scared to fight fighter A, the moment he wins fans discredit that opponent. You already see how just months ago fans screamed Canelo will NEVER fight GGG now all a sudden the narrative is GGG is old and Canelo waited all this time got idiots saying the fight should of happened 2 years ago when Canelo didn't even fight Cotto 2 years ago the earliest this fight could possibly happen was last Sept. Yet GGG aged 100 years in 1 calendar year and trust once Canelo beats GGG everyone will say he was washed up. Just like they did when Oscar beat Chavez for example. Chavez was 32 when the fight was signed with Oscar and before that everyone said Oscar was too young and would duck Chavez. He beats him and Chavez was too old. We already saw it with Cotto who Canelo wanted to fight for 3 years prior and was top 10 p4p when they fought and everyone was saying he looks better then ever with Roach training him. He loses now he's too small too old.

[bigdunny1]

Wheres your list of all these guys he avoided,he was being sued & didn't even know who his promoter would be when ggg forced purse bid,he signed 2 fight ggg 1 yr & 3 mos after winning lineal mw title vs legit champ while ggg yet to face a single real champ. You can argue that he should've fought charlos/andrade instead of kahn/liam smith but those bums are still yet to headline a single fight,their undercard fighters & were more so a yr or 2 ago,you never hold it against your favorite fighters like mayweather fighting easier champ 4 way more $$ or avoiding fights 4 yrs,& if he'd beaten them youd still complain. And besides maybe 3 fights of his last 10 you cant say he cherrypicked at all,hes literally cleaned out the best at jmw. floyd did the same at ww, canelo learned a lot from him.

It reminds me of the way people were dumping on wards resume & style until he kod kovalev,I was one of the only people who predicted ward by obliteration as I knew kovalev lost when he let ward into his head,& I knew Ward had a far better resume too.

I'm still waiting on this list too lol Canelo has literally made every big fight fans have asked for. And idiots complaining about waiting 1 more year to see Canelo/GGG when look how long it's taken for Loma to fight Rigo. Look how long it took Oscar/Tito to get made, look how long it's taking Tank to fight anyone decent, look how long it will take Thurman to fight Spence, look how long it's taking Wilder to fight ANYONE let alone how long it will take for Wilder/Joshua. Canelo will have fought Cotto, Lara, GGG, Trout, Floyd, Mosley, Chavez, Angulo, Kirkland all just about a month after turning 27. Yet he's the one avoiding fights? SMH

[Eff Pandas]

Yes you are now after the fact screaming how great Oscar resume was but the reality is he had tons of haters and critics.

Huh?!?! You just feel like arguing today or something I'm thinking.

What does the fact I enjoyed Oscar's boxing career got to do with him having haters? Sh^t man anyone with any level of success is gonna have haters & critics.

Many accused Arum of carefully matching Oscar.

Well yea Arum ALWAYS does that. But he didn't have to do it for very long with Oscar + it appears to me that Oscar took an interest in his own career to the point of steering himself towards fights. The fact Canelo is one of these "I'll do whatever my promoter wants me to do" cuckold boxers isn't helpful in that matter I'd probably agree, but who knows what he's saying behind the scenes.

Canelo being treated like a piece of china yet you can't name a single fight that fans demanded that Canelo hasn't taken?

Idk what this has to do with anything I'm talking about. Canelo fighting Canelo a year ago or Davey L or any of those top 154 guys he didn't fight has nothing to do with Canelo making the most of his career by having more meaningful fights with or without fans asking for it like Oscar did.

And Oscar made Canelo/GGG faster then it took Bob Arum to make Oscar/Tito? Canelo started fighting top p4p ranked fighters at an earlier age then Arum put Oscar in with a top p4p ranked fighter?

You keep **** measuring things that I'm not trying to measure lol.

I'm not saying this happened quicker or sooner or Mexican pro circuit this or GGG that or whatever. I'm saying look at Oscar's resume. Look at Canelo's resume. Doesn't Canelo's resume look like its being too carefully crafted vs Oscar's resume. To me it does. If you don't think so fair play to you.

You already see how just months ago fans screamed Canelo will NEVER fight GGG now all a sudden the narrative is GGG is old and Canelo waited all this time

In fairness I was saying that forever ago with OSCAR doesn't want that fight (not Canelo) & he's waiting for GGG to age a lil more &/or look a lil more human. And I think both have occurred.

Thats a whole other thing doe.

I'm mainly just wishing Oscar wasn't so worried about Canelo losing a fight & just gets for real on chasing history with Canelo over the next several years like he did. Give me GGG in September. Give me Charlo next year. Give me Jacobs next year. Give me Davey L next year. Give me a Lara rematch if he moves up or any of those other high level 154lbers if they move up. Give me BJS. Give me Dere...whatever the f#ck his last name is. Give me Ramirez at 164lbs/catchweight in a year or two. Give me some of the guys who aren't quite names who become names over the next 6-24 months. But lets get serious about making the most of every opportunity instead of fighting the Chavez Jr, Liam Smith, Kirkland, Angulo type fights that has represented most of Canelo's career since the Floyd fight.

[kushking]

Yes you are now after the fact screaming how great Oscar resume was but the reality is he had tons of haters and critics. Many accused Arum of carefully matching Oscar. Again I remember all the guys fans said Oscar wouldn't fight and when he did they made excuses to discredit those wins. I remember when fans screamed that Arum is protecting Oscar and again FACT fans were calling for and had to wait for Oscar/Tito longer then we have had to wait for Canelo/GGG. Canelo being treated like a piece of china yet you can't name a single fight that fans demanded that Canelo hasn't taken? And Oscar made Canelo/GGG faster then it took Bob Arum to make Oscar/Tito? Canelo started fighting top p4p ranked fighters at an earlier age then Arum put Oscar in with a top p4p ranked fighter?

I lived through Oscar's career and already named the fighters that fans screamed he was ducking, fans screamed that he was draining himself to beat up on small fighters, that he was cherry picking old guys. Oscar's resume looks great as time goes by but at the time the same BS we see with Canelo was going on. He's scared to fight fighter A, the moment he wins fans discredit that opponent. You already see how just months ago fans screamed Canelo will NEVER fight GGG now all a sudden the narrative is GGG is old and Canelo waited all this time got idiots saying the fight should of happened 2 years ago when Canelo didn't even fight Cotto 2 years ago the earliest this fight could possibly happen was last Sept. Yet GGG aged 100 years in 1 calendar year and trust once Canelo beats GGG everyone will say he was washed up. Just like they did when Oscar beat Chavez for example. Chavez was 32 when the fight was signed with Oscar and before that everyone said Oscar was too young and would duck Chavez. He beats him and Chavez was too old. We already saw it with Cotto who Canelo wanted to fight for 3 years prior and was top 10 p4p when they fought and everyone was saying he looks better then ever with Roach training him. He loses now he's too small too old.

The thing is that I used to hate dlhoya back then too,I never have liked that fishnets. I was a fan of Chavez doe,wanna hear the funny thing is that I used to say delahoyas a gaylord back then while my family worshipped him because 1 of my step cousins was a Budweiser girl who used to know him well,& my brothers inlaws met him in big bear & had framed photos w him,but I used to always be the odd man out clowning him & calling him a phony closeted ***** etc. And I was literally dying of laughter when fishnets pics came out & my family had 2 admit I was right all along. I remember when he robbed Ike Quartey just because he hit him w like 100 punches clean at least in 12th rd.after being schooled 11 rds. I was furious af,& I always used to think a lot of his fights were fixed,in hindsight only very very few maybe were by Don filthbag king & I must admit he was a very talented fighter,it kindve reminds me of mayweather in that I cant stand him but must admit hes extremely talented.

[bigdunny1]

Huh?!?! You just feel like arguing today or something I'm thinking.

What does the fact I enjoyed Oscar's boxing career got to do with him having haters? Sh^t man anyone with any level of success is gonna have haters & critics.



Well yea Arum ALWAYS does that. But he didn't have to do it for very long with Oscar + it appears to me that Oscar took an interest in his own career to the point of steering himself towards fights. The fact Canelo is one of these "I'll do whatever my promoter wants me to do" cuckold boxers isn't helpful in that matter I'd probably agree, but who knows what he's saying behind the scenes.



Idk what this has to do with anything I'm talking about. Canelo fighting Canelo a year ago or Davey L or any of those top 154 guys he didn't fight has nothing to do with Canelo making the most of his career by having more meaningful fights with or without fans asking for it like Oscar did.



You keep **** measuring things that I'm not trying to measure lol.

I'm not saying this happened quicker or sooner or Mexican pro circuit this or GGG that or whatever. I'm saying look at Oscar's resume. Look at Canelo's resume. Doesn't Canelo's resume look like its being too carefully crafted vs Oscar's resume. To me it does. If you don't think so fair play to you.

you can like and appreciate whoever you want but you are saying that Oscar was seen as taking on everybody when at the time many felt the opposite. Hell just listen to Kellerman who still to this day says Arum was carefully matching Oscar in low weight classes because he didn't want him to lose. Many felt that at the time and made excuses about Oscar draining himself to pick on smaller guys, or old guys and again you keep saying Oscar scared to let Canelo lose yet he made Canelo/GGG in shorter time then it took Arum to make Oscar/Tito. Many at the time screamed Oscar was ducking 147 and then when he did move up it took 3 years to make Oscar/tito 2 top p4p and best welterweights in the world and we waited years for that. You saying Arum didn't have to wait long before he placed Oscar in tough fights? but look at the age of both like someone said your list you posted goes against your own argument because Canelo is younger yet being thrown in these type fights BEFORE Oscar did. Just be phuking consistent. And please name the fighters you claim the fans wanted that Canelo has avoided?

[AdonisCreed]

I expect Canelo to beat triple g because ggg is there to be hit and I believe that's what Oscar sees as well and also they are hoping that ggg has lost a step. But with that being said Canelo is there to be hit as well plus Canelo has always been the bigger guy in the ring with the exception of Chavez Jr and maybe one other fight. We'll see how Canelo does with a guy that's known as a KO artist that's closer to his weight. I'm still picking Canelo just because I think ggg is looking to cash out because he's getting older. nothing wrong with it just saying.

[bigdunny1]

I'm mainly just wishing Oscar wasn't so worried about Canelo losing a fight & just gets for real on chasing history with Canelo over the next several years like he did. Give me GGG in September. Give me Charlo next year. Give me Jacobs next year. Give me Davey L next year. Give me a Lara rematch if he moves up or any of those other high level 154lbers if they move up. Give me BJS. Give me Dere...whatever the f#ck his last name is. Give me Ramirez at 164lbs/catchweight in a year or two. Give me some of the guys who aren't quite names who become names over the next 6-24 months. But lets get serious about making the most of every opportunity instead of fighting the Chavez Jr, Liam Smith, Kirkland, Angulo type fights that has represented most of Canelo's career since the Floyd fight.

You see this is the BS you doing what fans were asking Oscar to fight Kamau, Patrick Charpentier, Wilredo Rivera, Oba Carr. Those are the fights Oscar made after Whitaker when fans were demanding he fight Tito. And I left out Chavez rematch that everyone knew would be a mismatch after he already beat Chavez the first time. But that was a fan Mexican's called for so he took it just like Canelo fighting Chavez Jr. Other then that I could argue Angulo, Smith, Kirkland are all better fights then the guys I just named who Oscar fought between big fights. Oscar like Canelo, like Floyd don't fight all p4p and superstar fighters back to back to back. Those are better then the level of fighters Oscar fought in between Whitaker, Quartey and Trinidad. Just like Canelo fought Lara, Floyd, Cotto and now GGG and in between he fought the guys you named like Smith, Angulo, Chavez ect. Be consistent that's my beef the same standard you using to pump up Oscar applies to Canelo. Can't scream he waiting too long for GGG when Oscar waited longer for tito can't scream about fighting Liam Smith and Chavez Jr and gloss over Oscar fighting Charpentier and David Kamau lol

[Eff Pandas]

you can like and appreciate whoever you want but you are saying that Oscar was seen as taking on everybody when at the time many felt the opposite.

Many feel the opposite about all kinds of things. It doesn't mean sh^t to me doe. And Oscar was mostly appreciated. He wasn't the Floyd of his times. He was the closest thing to Sugar Ray Leonard since Sugar Ray Leonard.

Just be phuking consistent. And please name the fighters you claim the fans wanted that Canelo has avoided?

I believe I am being consistent. I'm saying look at Oscar's resume. Now look at this resume Oscar is in control of. It doesn't look like Oscar has the same balls at pushing Canelo like he pushed himself.

Thats what I'm talking about & you keep bringing up fans hate Oscar, Bob moving guys smartly, fans wanting to see who fight who, who's Canelo ducking & other things that I don't give a f#ck about nor is my point.

And I already suggested the guys I'd like to see on Canelo's resume moving forward in my last post. I don't give a f#ck about "other fans" or "fans demanding" this or that.

Give me Canelo vs GGG in September.
Give me Canelo vs Charlo next year.
Give me Canelo vs Jacobs next year.
Give me Canelo vs Davey L next year.
Give me a Canelo vs Lara II if he moves up or any of those other high level 154lbers if they move up.
Give me Canelo vs BJS.
Give me GGG vs Dere...whatever the f#ck his last name is.
Give me GGG vs Ramirez at 164lbs/catchweight in a year or two.
Give me GGG vs some of the guys who aren't quite names who become names over the next 6-24 months.

These are some of the guys I wanna see on Canelo's resume moving into the future that will make Canelo's career a fun career for fans to follow.

[bigdunny1]

Eff Pandas simply question who did the fans demand Canelo fight that he didn't? And I already named the bums and low ranked fighters Oscar fought that no fans asked for in between his big fights. Stop acting like Smith and Angulo are the only guys he's fighting while you ignore Floyd, Lara, Trout, Cotto, GGG that fans were demanding that he delivered. And Chavez Jr = Oscar fighting Chavez sr in the rematch. Canelo's B side in between elite fights Smith, Chavez, Kirkland > Oscar's Patrick Charpentier, David Kamau, Chavez Sr rematch. But when Arum did it it's "great matchmaking" but when Canelo fights these guys he's just a puppet for Oscar? WTF lol

[filup79]

Too young? I remember everyone claiming that Floyd was scared to fight Canelo at that time. But like every casual boxing fan, there's always an excuse after Floyd beats someone. Floyd was 36 years old, not even in his prime and Canelo got schooled. Was Floyd too young at 21 when he beat the late Chicanito Hernandez? Canelo wasn't too young when he beat Trout. No matter what age, fighters like Floyd will always trouble Canelo.