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Canelo looks exactly the same. Foh! De la Hoya with this rematch agenda of yours. Let it go and look for another pay day.
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You're ignoring the fact Canelo had 6 years+ of professional experience before he had a meaningful fight. Oscar had 2 years+.
But mainly thats not even the point. The point isn't amateur experience or P4P or whatever. Its that Oscar sees winning as ready & losing as not ready as a promoter & I don't agree with that mindset at all.
Oscar was ready for Tito, Shane & Bhop when he was among the top guys in the division & he fought them & lost. Canelo has been a top guy in a division for years & avoiding certain guys (GGG obviously, you can argue he avoided the top 154 guys with his 155 thing & with his recent move back down to 154) til all this random sh^t lined up cuz Oscar is lining him up to win not to have meaningful fights. But people don't care THAT much if you win. They wanna see the meaningful fights more then one specific guy win. The competitive fight is the goal.
Oscar seemed to know that as a fighter & took on top challengers or champions win or lose through out his career. Thats what I loved about Oscar's career. So much of Oscar's career was meaningful & had my interest.Comment
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Mexico pro experience is different then world class experience and you know it. Fighting bums and cab drivers with losing records in Mexico is not the same. Oscar turned pro and immediately starting fighting the caliber that canelo didn't face till about pro fight 35. That's when he started fighting the guys most top amateurs face for their first 10-20 fights before they get a title shot. People keep saying he had 40+ pro fights leaving out his young age and the fact that because he had no amateur career 30+ of those pro fights were irrelevant fights against bums in Mexico as a child. He turned pro at 15. To just say well it was 44-0 vs 42-0 like all records are the same is just ******. All records are not the same floyd decorated amatuer, Olympian, what 20-25 title fights under his belt. Canelo couldn't even grow facial hair when he fought floyd and only a handful of those 40 fights he was old enough to legally drink. And still he still fought a guy like floyd at a younger age then Oscar started fighting top p4p ranked fighters.Comment
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Your leaving out kirkland 28 kos 32 wins 1 loss @ 24 ,your leaving out cintron who EVERYONE said hed duck & would get destroyed by he fought him at 21,he fought rhyan rhodes 45-4 at 19 yrs old, Mathew hatton 41-4 @ 19,& he was only 21 vs mosley,he fought angulo at 23.
But the bottom line is your list actually proves the exact opposite of your argument as he has a very solid list for his era,if he had fought the only other top jmws than the ones he fought people would say he ducked the ones he has on current resume,now that hes fighting ggg theres almost literally NOBODY he couldve fought at jmw(& gggs way tougher fight than jmw) whos considered elite or semi elite besides the besties charlos & andrade who hypocritically duck Lara & claim canelos ducking them,despite jermell switching trainers & gyms over money yrs ago & still ducks lara & none of the list canelos fought would be the bside 2 charlos/andrade.
People claim canelos a giant cherrypicker yet hes pretty much cleaned out jmw,& definitely has already fought the best most proven jmws & now is even fighting the considered best mw. Who shouldve he fought that he didn't?Last edited by kushking; 08-22-2017, 06:57 AM.Comment
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Well again none of the stuff you are harping on is really my point.
My point is when you are a top guy you are ready for the top fights via being a top guy. Oscar was a top guy. He took the fights. He took all the fights he could. Canelo is a top guy. And its not like he's not taken any fights, but he's avoided the fights people most wanna see cuz his promoter is worried about W's & L's more than making meaningful fights that yes his fighter could end up losing, like he lost some fights in his day too, but would make him a bigger entity in the sport if more people cared about him just fighting not just winning.Comment
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even 40 years old Floyd beats Canelo. Even 35 years old GGG beats Canelo.Comment
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Messed up thing is that everyone on here licks floyds chops over beating Canelo at 152 & shît on canelos obliteration of Chavez jr,( I know jr aint skilled but has iron chin & huge af)
Despite floyd
4 yrs that pacfrauds cw wins don't count because he fought them at a disadvantage & how he would never do that as he wants his opponents at their best. He then after canelo agreed to all his rediculous demands
urse,ring size,gloves etc. decided to intentionally weight drain canelo to 152 despite having fought twice vs champs at 154 & holding belts he was never forced to defend @ jmw. He then bragged incessantly 4 mos about how he knows canelos starving & will be completely drained. But Canelo whos never fought above 155 fights Chavez jr at 164.5, 6 mos after Jr fought at 167 & jrs a natural lhw whos 6'1",canelo & floyd are both same height,size & build but canelos just stockier, bottom line is theres a lotta double standard ass mofos around here who coincidentally are the same ones jerking it to floyd vs mcgimper(funny how its also at full 154,not 152)
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who did canelo duck? He has literally fought ever fighter the fans have demanded lara, trout, floyd, cotto, Chavez and is now fighting GGG at 160. Fans were calling for Oscar/tito after Oscar beat whitaker. Oscar finally fought tito in sept 99' 2 and a half years after the whitaker fight more time then fans have been calling for canelo/GGG. It's only been a year and a half since canelo beat cotto and fans started demanding that fight since then. And Canelo started fighting top p4p ranked fighters at a younger age then oscar without the experience oscar had in Olympics and amateurs. Revisionist history going on right now. Canelo has fought everybody can't tell me he's ducking when you look at the names he's faced where those guys were ranked, what the public was calling for and he is scheduled to fight GGG.Comment
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