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  • #31
    Originally posted by revelated View Post
    Bold is the real key.

    G is just another fighter in the middle of the ring. His dominance only happens when he's walked you back to the ropes where you can't evade shots as easily. Watch back to every fight he's dominated and you'll see the same pattern - the opponent got walked back to the ropes instead of circling with effective punch and pivot.

    I don't know that Canelo is fast enough to pull that off, but I think G will get starstruck and make mistakes like he did against Jacobs.
    GGG didn't make mistakes against Jacobs, unless you call not going to the body a mistake, but that was because of his game plan, not because he got starstruck.

    Remember, Canelo is 5' 8" not 6' 1" and he can't circle and move like Jacobs.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Wildstalker View Post
      Here are the 3 main reasons that Canelo is going to beat Golovkin resoundingly in September. Those of you who know boxing should know what I'm talking about.

      1. Canelo has the better defense. At the highest level, the fighter who has the better defense and gets hit less wins usually, not the fighter with more power. We've seen this time and time again.

      2. Canelo has vastly superior Pro experience. In the Pro ring, Canelo has already faced some of the best P4P fighters of this Generation in Mayweather, Cotto, etc. He has also had the guidance of people like Oscar Dela Hoya since he was a teen.

      On the otherhand, none of GGG's MW opponents were P4P level. I am also a skeptic of Abel Sanchez's abilities. AMATEUR EXPERIENCE IS NOT THE SAME.

      3. Canelo is more versatile. He can attack but can also defend, slip, and counter-punch just as well. GGG has iron fists and an iron chin, but he is only at his best when he is pushing forward and attacking. At the highest level, ONE WAY WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. GGG is not superman.

      Defense, experience, and the ability to adjust is much more important than power or speed.

      If you disagree name the reasons why GGG wins.
      #1. Defence. Do you have stats to back this up. Compubox published a piece on Golovkins defence and he was rated higher than Canelo. Admittedly it's several years out of date. I would like to know how you came to that conclusion.
      #2. Their Pro experience is pretty much the same. They both have been in high profile fights. Gennady hasn't shown any signs of letting it bother him. Canelo has had longer fights its true. He's had to because he isn't as dominant.
      #3. Gennady is more versitile than Canelo. He's proven he can control a boxer or a slugger by using his jab. Jacobs Lemieux. He cuts off the ring better than Canelo, he is more efficient with his punches.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Idunnoshet View Post
        Already the excuses ?
        Im not a fanboy I don't give a **** about who wins and who loses.

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        • #34
          Other that a load of shot dudes Canelo has never dominated anyone world class! Lara, Cotto, Floyd, Trout.. Even Khan was outboxing him! He's faced nothing remotely comparable to a MW like triple G! D I C K H E A D

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          • #35
            I am a big fan of both Canelo and GGG. I disagree with most of what you have said. I think GGG will win. He is is a hard puncher who has never had a problem landing his hard punches. His KO percentage is much higher than Canelo's. When two fighters meet in what figures to be a war being the harder puncher means a lot at any level. Canelo has no edge in experience or quality of opponents and all his work was done at 147 and 154 not 160. GGG has been middleweight champ for many years and has KOed many top contenders and champions. GGG would easily beat any fighter Canelo ever beat and probably knock them all out. Canelo has never faced a puncher as hard hitting and dangerous as Lemieux and Jacobs. GGG had about 400 amateur fights and that's experience. GGG has one of the best, hardest and most effective jabs in boxing. That left jab combined with his all around skill and experience, his higher work rate, better chin and superior punching power will defeat the great Canelo in my opinion for his career best win.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by stealthradon View Post
              1: Canelo's better defense is only because the fighters he fight are less active. If you look at percentage, it is eerily similar to GGG's. In the fight against Smith, Canelo got hit at a 28,5% rate, where as GGG against Lemieux, GGG got hit at a 27%.
              In the fight against
              Vs Khan, Canelo got hit at a 29% rate, and Brook (who apparently exposed GGG) hit him at 32% rate.

              GGG's connected-punches rate was 10% better on Brook, than Canelo's rate was on Khan.
              WOW what a load of horse shyt. Canelo's defense is the EXACT reason why guys he's faced who are HISTORICALLY more active, land more punches and at higher rate then GGG's opponents yet see their entire offensive production fall off a cliff when they fight Canelo you idiot. Same with Floyd or any great defensive fighter. When you face these guys with good defense you typically end up throwing less because you can't land and are worried about missing and being countered. And only going by % landed and saying well it's only a few percent points off so they are the same defensive fighter ignoring the FACT that Canelo opponents are landing double and in some cases 3X fewer punchers? By that ****** logic GGG is only a few more percent points off of Floyd Mayweather as well I guess his defense is comparable to him.

              Khan didn't land more then Canelo in a single round of their fight was outlanded in power punches badly and finished with 48 total punches landing ONLY 28 power punches the entire fight. Khan was on pace to land just 96 punches and 56 power shots over 12 rounds. Basically career lows. For comparison Brook landed 85 punches on GGG in just a 5 round fight and 60 power punches, Brook was also outlanding GGG in power punches before the final round. Brook was on pace to land 204 punches and 144 power punches over 12 rounds. Jacobs did outland GGG in power punches in their 12 round fight landing 175 total punches and 144 power punches on GGG. So while the percentages are only a few points off GGG is getting hit with double the amount and in power punches TRIPLE the amount. His defense sucks.
              Last edited by bigdunny1; 08-19-2017, 09:46 AM.

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              • #37
                Canelo will lose for one reason alone.

                He won't escape the jab.

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                • #38


                  GGG has more power but Canelo is far more skilled, faster and much better defense.

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                  • #39
                    Those are really solid reasons. Good analysis. I think this fight is true 50/50, but I do expect Golovkin to win. Reasons for it are jab, accuracy and footwork. Canelo does like fighting going backwards, laying on the ropes and counter punching, and he'll definitely make Golovkin miss and frustrate. But a lot of those punches will come through, especially the jab and counter jab. Under the jab and the pressure Canelo should crack. He won't be able to lay on the ropes like he did against Smith. Eating Golovkin body shots is different than smith's or drained Chavez. And that jab should be the difference.

                    Those are my reasons, but I can see Canelo destroying Golovkin with counters and combos. Canelos reflexes at this stage of his career are close to ungodly for a MW.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BTL View Post
                      Canelo will lose for one reason alone.

                      He won't escape the jab.
                      Canelo is great at defending/slipping jabs not ok, not just good, he's great at it I already posted defensive highlights including him taking fighters jabs away but here are the actual numbers. I'll just repost

                      Originally posted by bigdunny1 View Post
                      Cotto's entire gameplan was to get on his bike and jab all night long. Canelo took that punch away by slipping and blocking it and countering. Cotto threw almost 400 jabs but landed only 14% because Canelo's defense and countering ability. He is very good at slipping jabs.

                      Cotto vs Canelo
                      374 Total jabs thrown
                      54 Total jabs connected
                      14% Percentage landed
                      Originally posted by bigdunny1 View Post
                      Through 6 rounds Khan was on pace to land just 40 jabs the ENTIRE fight at just 22% connect rate

                      Khan vs Canelo
                      88 Total jabs thrown
                      20 Total jabs connected
                      22% Percentage landed

                      Smith vs Canelo
                      195 Total jabs thrown
                      47 Total jabs connected
                      24% Percentage landed

                      Lara vs Canelo
                      246 Total jabs thrown
                      55 Total jabs connected
                      22% Percentage landed

                      Trout vs Canelo
                      416 Total jabs thrown
                      59 Total jabs connected
                      14% Percentage landed

                      His defense is WAYYYYY better then you giving him credit for especially his ability to slip and counter the jab which is why fighters are having career worse production and connect rate landing this punch against him. Despite all these guys throwing massive amounts of jabs they rarely land. These numbers are what you see defensive wizards like Floyd doing to fighters.
                      and last fight

                      Chavez vs Canelo
                      118 Total jabs Thrown
                      15 Total jabs connected
                      12.7% Percentage landed
                      Last edited by bigdunny1; 08-19-2017, 09:40 AM.

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