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  • #21
    Originally posted by iamboxing View Post
    Canelo has iron fists? Sure against the Khans of the world. His footwork is dire. GGG cuts off the ring well and will shred Canelo against the ropes.
    Facing welters and super welters whilst he campaigned at middle wil be a serious undoing, you can't jump in with the no.1 guy who's cleared the decks at the weight without really challenging yourself at the weight beforehand to gauge your own ability and likelihood of success at said weight. It defies belief he's jumping straight in with Golovkin, he should have fought a top 5-10 guy and then somebody like Lemieux, I don't believe he'd beat Lemieux though personally. Hopefully we see that fight upon Canelo rebuilding his career.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Ray* View Post
      I have zero doubt that Canelo beat GGG. This isn't anything against GGG or some of his annoying fanatical fans, I just think his team took this fight too late over money. Canelo has matured physically a lot more and he sees things in a way he doesn't seems to be able to see them before. If GGG beats Canelo then he deserves all the accolades that comes his way.
      I think you're going to be wrong personally Ray, I really haven't seen a side of Canelo Golovkin has anything to be fearful of, in not sure on what basis people believe he will beat him, I've seen Golovkin hit more than he should be, but we've also seen him box perfectly against Lemieux, extremely mindful of the danger Lemieux presents, what are the dangers Canelo brings ?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Wildstalker View Post
        Here are the 3 main reasons that Canelo is going to beat Golovkin resoundingly in September. Those of you who know boxing should know what I'm talking about.

        1. Canelo has the better defense. At the highest level, the fighter who has the better defense and gets hit less wins usually, not the fighter with more power. We've seen this time and time again.

        2. Canelo has vastly superior Pro experience. In the Pro ring, Canelo has already faced some of the best P4P fighters of this Generation in Mayweather, Cotto, etc. He has also had the guidance of people like Oscar Dela Hoya since he was a teen.

        On the otherhand, none of GGG's MW opponents were P4P level. I am also a skeptic of Abel Sanchez's abilities. AMATEUR EXPERIENCE IS NOT THE SAME.

        3. Canelo is more versatile. He can attack but can also defend, slip, and counter-punch just as well. GGG has iron fists and an iron chin, but he is only at his best when he is pushing forward and attacking. At the highest level, ONE WAY WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. GGG is not superman.

        Defense, experience, and the ability to adjust is much more important than power or speed.

        If you disagree name the reasons why GGG wins.
        1: Canelo's better defense is only because the fighters he fight are less active. If you look at percentage, it is eerily similar to GGG's. In the fight against Smith, Canelo got hit at a 28,5% rate, where as GGG against Lemieux, GGG got hit at a 27%.
        In the fight against
        Vs Khan, Canelo got hit at a 29% rate, and Brook (who apparently exposed GGG) hit him at 32% rate.
        GGG's connected-punches rate was 10% better on Brook, than Canelo's rate was on Khan.

        2: No, he hasn't. They were P4P, in their prime, and in their respective weight classes. He hasn't had any P4P under the age of 35.

        3: I am sure GGG went through all of his amateur career with nothing but getting hit, constantly.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by PulpFriction View Post
          I think footwork and stamina will play a factor for GGG beating Canelo. Also, i hope Canelo doesn't go near those ropes. If Canelo can dictate the pace then he may win but if golovkin pushes forward all fight then i can't see Canelo winning or even surviving.
          Canelo can't even stay off the ropes against soft touches.

          Dude just can't hold the center of the ring.

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          • #25
            How does Canelo have a better defense if Golovkin have a better plus/minus connect ratio? (If you believe the stats). Canelo has experience against better opponents but he also has 2 questionable wins against those fighters. He also hasn't faced any big punchers unlike Golovkin. Canelo does have better transition from offense to defense but he's not that good at it either.

            Age will be the significant factor in the fight. If Golovkin looks old like he did against Brook and Jacobs he could lose.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by ScottWeiland View Post
              Golovkin has a great defence and when hit an even better durability and ability to come right back and throw the heavy shot he's taken a punch to land his bigger shot. Canelo wasn't able to hurt the like of Lara and Cotto, he has no chance to make GGG humble and respect him.
              Originally posted by ScottWeiland View Post
              Agreed regarding the size, strength, jab, feet and durability.

              I don't think ggg has to alter his game plan to suit, guys have to alter theirs to face him, he simply turns up and with his superiority in near enough every meaningful category relevant, the only guy making adjustments will be his opponent.

              Let's clear something up, Canelo can not fight anything like Jacobs, he's a lot less crude than Lemieux but hasn't the power the Canadian had to make GGG honest. Canelo will be marshalled around the ring and broken down as Golovkin has routinely and systematically done throughout his career.

              Anyone who has followed both Canelo and GGG know pretty much how this fight will play out, this isn't a Golovkin facing a moving target a la Jacobs nor is it a tiny little Brit with zero power whom commands zero respect and no game plan whatsoever due to the fact he ain't a threat in the least, Canelo is very much the 2-3 best opponent GGG has ever fought and he is profoundly and vastly more skilled by comparison in overall talent than Canelo is.
              For once, I agree with you. Canelo will only win this fight if GGG has become to old/shopworn to perform at level we've seen from him over the last 5 years. That's what Oscar and Eddie Reynoso were hoping for when they delayed the fight till this Sept.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by ScottWeiland View Post
                Prove it to me ! I've followed both their careers, Canelo don't hit as hard Lemieux or Jacobs, the only reason Lemieux went as long as he did was because GGG was wary of return fire, the stoppage was a near certainty due to durability issues and the concussive power of GGG, Jacobs utilised elite level footwork and speed with body movement, Canelo only has the upper body movement his feet are like a 250 lb heavyweight, he's slow and cumbersome, he may be able to back Golovkin up with a straight ride hell Brook did ffs but he won't be able to stop him advancing repeatedly as it isn't the type of power that will trouble Golovkin.

                I'll say one thing, Canelo is a lot harder and tougher man than Brook and I won't be shocked to see this go the distance but I expect a tko or stoppage on the stool, I think he'll end the fight on his feet or stool. He's a tough rock of a man, he's just infinitely all round less skilled than Golovkin in the factors that really matter, power, footwork, actual boxing ability too.
                You typed a lot. Canelo pretty obviously has the power to make golovkin respect him, and he's much sharper and accurate than "feet dragger" lemiuex who can barely get into range and "i'm a slapper" jacobs. One good chin checker here and there can keep golovkin honest all night. I think he can hurt golovkin to the body too. Canelo's issue will be maintaining that stamina to carry that power, he'll have to use scare tactics so a fast start to earn golovkins respect should be his focus to start him down the path of victory.

                Golovkin will probably have a harder time landing power on canelo than the other way around until he gets alvarez on the ropes or during breaks. This is why fighting behind the jab to fatigue and break canelo down while maintaining distance to optimize defense is paramount for golovkin.

                But with sht trainers like sanchez who the hell knows how golovkin will come out.
                Last edited by SplitSecond; 08-19-2017, 08:04 AM.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by PulpFriction View Post
                  I think footwork and stamina will play a factor for GGG beating Canelo. Also, i hope Canelo doesn't go near those ropes. If Canelo can dictate the pace then he may win but if golovkin pushes forward all fight then i can't see Canelo winning or even surviving.
                  Bold is the real key.

                  G is just another fighter in the middle of the ring. His dominance only happens when he's walked you back to the ropes where you can't evade shots as easily. Watch back to every fight he's dominated and you'll see the same pattern - the opponent got walked back to the ropes instead of circling with effective punch and pivot.

                  I don't know that Canelo is fast enough to pull that off, but I think G will get starstruck and make mistakes like he did against Jacobs.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Ray* View Post
                    I have zero doubt that Canelo beat GGG. This isn't anything against GGG or some of his annoying fanatical fans, I just think his team took this fight too late over money. Canelo has matured physically a lot more and he sees things in a way he doesn't seems to be able to see them before. If GGG beats Canelo then he deserves all the accolades that comes his way.
                    You keep saying that in Golovkin/Canelo threads ... when did GGG turn down a chance to fight Canelo before September 2017 over the money?

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Helm View Post
                      GGG is bigger, has better jab, better footwork, more power, granite chin.

                      And since he didn't manage to KO Jacobs, this time he will come with a better backup plan if he sees he can't KO canelo in the first half and will rely more on his boxing skills, which he has many.

                      Anyway Canelo has improved a lot in the last years and anyway GGG IS GETTING OLD So it's a near 50/50 fight for me with a slight edge for GGG for the reasons I mentioned.
                      Already the excuses ?

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