Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

[robertzimmerman]

Calzaghe beats Ward easily with his speed.

It wouldn't have been easy at all.

[Willy Wanker]

Not a fan of either, but I think Ward wins a close decision in a very ugly, boring fight.

Styles make fights. I would rather see someone like Toney vs Calzaghe or Ward.

[robertzimmerman]

This is a tough one. I think Ward benefits from fighting in a weak era while Joe gets underrated.

Joe fought in a weak era, and at times, it was weaker than the one Ward fought in.

[robertzimmerman]

TBH also, Ward never beat Kovalev without controversy. Kovalev may lack mental strength, but overall skill wise he's better than Andre Ward, and it took a robbery (which showed the weakness of Andre Ward) and a low blowing controversy to beat Sergey on paper.

Ward is not on the level of Roy Jones, James Tony esque fighters.

I don't think the first fight was a robbery, and there was only one low blow in the 2nd fight, which was the very last punch. And even that wasn't really low. Whilst it was disappointing for the fight to be stopped in that way, Kovalev had nothing left to give at that point.

[robertzimmerman]

Ward school him.

I think it would have been a very close fight.

[robertzimmerman]

Joe beat Hopkins just between 2 of Nard's best career performances, the Tarver and the Pavlik beatdowns.

Def not the grandpa who fought Serguei and Joe Smith.

Hopkins still was elite and the lineal 175 champ as far as I remember.

The Roy fight was a joke.
YET, I remember a lot of people picked Roy to beat him, Roy impressed people schooling Trinidad.

Joe will never have the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, Joe beat a better version of Hopkins than Kovalev did, but he sc****d by him.

Roy didn't school Tito. And Tito hadn't fought for 3 years, and he couldn't even make the agreed upon C-W of 170 pounds.

The fight against Joe was a joke. Joe had already stated the previous year that Roy had been shot since 2004.

[robertzimmerman]

Joe because he is the busier fighter, has better movement and better reflexes and knows how to grit it out if he has to.

Ward has only one quality: roughing his opponents up. He isn't a fluid counter puncher, he isnt particularly fleet across the ring and his reflexes arent that quick.

Then again, if the fight is held in the US, Ward can headbutt Joe and Joe ends up getting DQd for getting in the way.

Andre has lots of qualities, as did Joe.

I wouldn't say Joe had great reflexes. He was always relatively easy to hit.

[robertzimmerman]

Ward wins. Nobody can beat Ward

He'll just headbutt you and/or punch in the balls for a TKO win while the referee smiles and the judges approve

Who can resist taking brutal combos to the balls and bladder? even Joshua or Wilder would crumble

Ward is invincible until they allow his opponents to wear heavy armor as underwear

There was only one relatively low shot against Kovalev.

A poor stoppage, but he had nothing left to give.

He was broken both mentally and physically.

[robertzimmerman]

It's pretty much obvious Meth.

Ward vs Kov were 20 close fantastic rounds of boxing wich ended by a stoppage in favour of Ward.

I call it like it is.

Ward never looked superior to Kova skillwise.
Neither outclassed the other guy.
Ward was dominant to the body, Kov to the head.

Dre has more heart/intangibles that's why he put that Russian motha***a away.

Regarding the Joe topic, it would be a tough fight for Dre because Joe had skills and hearth too, could come back stronger from a KD.

That slapper was hard to beat bro.

Sergey was a prime LHW.

How do you know how Joe would have looked against a prime LHW?

Joe struggled against lesser fighters, and he would never have fought Kovalev.

[robertzimmerman]

Same for Ward, he never fought someone as good as Joe.

Joe would overwhelm and make Kitty Kov quit the very first fight.

Style make fights and Kovalev wouldn't like that pace at all, he doesn't have the defense, stamina hearth to beat Joe unless he ices him in the very first rounds wich wouldn't happen knowing Joe's hability to recover and come back stronger from an early KD.

The best style to beat Joe was Nard's style, pure tricky counterpuncher.

Joe won versus a game Nard who was top 5 P4P, not the grandpa who was threw off the ring by Joe Smith like Kova fought.

Honnestly bro, you DKSAB for saying Kova, a man whose best win IS FCKIN JEAN PASCAL OR NATHAN CLEVERLY would beat Joe C, GTFOH.

Joe was a great fighter. But again, he struggled with the likes of Reid, and he had tough nights against Bika and Hopkins etc. He was also dropped by a C class fighter in Salem, a B/C class fighter in Mitchell, a non puncher in Hopkins, and by a shot version of Roy who caught him with a forearm because his timing was out.

Joe has never fought anybody with the power of Sergey. So you can't say he'd have gotten up, just because he got up from knock downs against the likes of Hopkins.

Again, Joe would never have fought him anyway.