Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

[robertzimmerman]

Prime Joe beats that cheating POS into retirement...the refs wouldn't have even mattered because coWARD never sees the final bell. Go watch the Lacy fight, Joe would beat him like an abused housewife.

You think Joe would have beaten Ward like he beat Lacy?

Ha!

No.

[robertzimmerman]

Unlike coWARD, Joe C had no issues fighting in the other man's backyard and still beat them. For as much as Mayweather brags about his record, he had to go through hell to obtain it.....multiple retirements, stipulations for fights that restricted all of his opponents, all fights in his hometown. Joe C had a perfect record and only retired once...when it mattered, went out on top.

Joe had no issues fighting in the other man's back yard?

He fought in New York and Vegas, in his final year as a pro.

Ward also has a perfect record.

[soul_survivor]

Andre has lots of qualities, as did Joe.

I wouldn't say Joe had great reflexes. He was always relatively easy to hit.

Just because he could get hit doesnt mean he didnt have good reflexes. Its just that he often leaned in too close with his punches but when on the outside, he could make guys miss.

What are Ward's qualities exactly? He is limited to jab, right hand, elbow, headbutt, clinch, push...repeat. That is a limited way of fighting and if he didnt always have judges, referees and tv networks on side, he'd have at least 2 or 3 losses by now.

[BillyBoxing]

I can tell by how you've written out your post that you haven't been objective.

Both are/were great fighters.

I would have seen the fight as being a genuine 50/50 fight.


Let's take a look at Joe's record:


He beat a faded Eubank, who took the fight on 11 days notice, after preparing to fight at LHW.

He sc****d by Reid, who went on to lose to Silvio Branco.

He sc****d by a 43 year Hopkins, who had to feign injury to buy some time in order to have a rest.


Ward beat Froch with ease despite having a double fracture of his hand.

His wins over Kovalev are better than any of Joe's wins.

You speak about him needing 20 rounds, yet he fought him twice.

How is beating Kovalev twice in 20 rounds, evidence of how he wouldn't have been able to have beaten Joe over 12?

That doesn't make sense.

Ho you sure are being objective.

So Joe scrapped by Hopkins and Dre didn't scrap by Kova in the first fight?

Very simple, Joe is a better fighter than Kovalev, stronger mentally and also very akward to fight.

[BillyBoxing]

Joe was a great fighter. But again, he struggled with the likes of Reid, and he had tough nights against Bika and Hopkins etc. He was also dropped by a C class fighter in Salem, a B/C class fighter in Mitchell, a non puncher in Hopkins, and by a shot version of Roy who caught him with a forearm because his timing was out.

Joe has never fought anybody with the power of Sergey. So you can't say he'd have gotten up, just because he got up from knock downs against the likes of Hopkins.

Again, Joe would never have fought him anyway.

Mitchell wasn't a C class fighter, he was a world champion.

Dre got dropped by Boone.

Joe would have overwhelmed mentally and physically Kovalev.

[BillyBoxing]

Sergey was a prime LHW.

How do you know how Joe would have looked against a prime LHW?

Joe struggled against lesser fighters, and he would never have fought Kovalev.

How do you know that?

[elfag]

calzaghe barely beat hopkins and won on activity alone. Hopkins landed the cleaner, harder, more accurate punches but we know his output was low in his 40s.

I dont think ward will allow calzaghe to get away with stealing rounds with slap flurries. And yes, he will definitely foul him to slow him down. Ward is younger, larger/stronger, hits harder than hopkins and fouls even more.

[elfag]

How do you know that?

well he openly admitted to ducking roy jones in his prime

[Bjl12]

I'd take SoG in a good fight. Probably 8-4ish for Ward and possibly even a flash KD

[robertzimmerman]

Just because he could get hit doesnt mean he didnt have good reflexes. Its just that he often leaned in too close with his punches but when on the outside, he could make guys miss.

What are Ward's qualities exactly? He is limited to jab, right hand, elbow, headbutt, clinch, push...repeat. That is a limited way of fighting and if he didnt always have judges, referees and tv networks on side, he'd have at least 2 or 3 losses by now.

If you can't recognise Ward's qualities, then there's no point in taking things any further.

The rest of your post is a complete joke.