Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

[soul_survivor]

Joe because he is the busier fighter, has better movement and better reflexes and knows how to grit it out if he has to.

Ward has only one quality: roughing his opponents up. He isn't a fluid counter puncher, he isnt particularly fleet across the ring and his reflexes arent that quick.

Then again, if the fight is held in the US, Ward can headbutt Joe and Joe ends up getting DQd for getting in the way.

[Thraxox]

That's the very opposite to me.

Hopkins made Joe look human and beatable so I was somehow more confident about Ward.

But Sergei exposed weaknesses in Dre boxing game, defense.

He also made him look human and beat him once for a lot of people.

Let's make it simple, Dre couldn't outbox Serguei so Dre broke the russian down, and it took him 2 fights to achieve it.

Wich is amazing, props to Dre.

But I thought Dre was going to outbox Kovalev, I thought skillwise Dre was better than that and wouldn't have to outhustle a guy like Kova.

So know, I don't know if Dre would outbox Calzaghe.

One thing is sure, Calzaghe had balls and wasn't a quitter like Kova.

Style make fights, and Calzaghe style doesn't look good for Ward either.

TBH also, Ward never beat Kovalev without controversy. Kovalev may lack mental strength, but overall skill wise he's better than Andre Ward, and it took a robbery (which showed the weakness of Andre Ward) and a low blowing controversy to beat Sergey on paper.

Ward is not on the level of Roy Jones, James Tony esque fighters.

[BillyBoxing]

Neither was prime when Joe fought them especially Roy

Joe beat Hopkins just between 2 of Nard's best career performances, the Tarver and the Pavlik beatdowns.

Def not the grandpa who fought Serguei and Joe Smith.

Hopkins still was elite and the lineal 175 champ as far as I remember.

The Roy fight was a joke.
YET, I remember a lot of people picked Roy to beat him, Roy impressed people schooling Trinidad.

Joe will never have the benefit of the doubt.

[Kigali]

Joe because he is the busier fighter, has better movement and better reflexes and knows how to grit it out if he has to.

Ward has only one quality: roughing his opponents up. He isn't a fluid counter puncher, he isnt particularly fleet across the ring and his reflexes arent that quick.

Then again, if the fight is held in the US, Ward can headbutt Joe and Joe ends up getting DQd for getting in the way.

This scab never saw Slappy Joe fight.

[HarvardBlue]

Ward would slow Calzaghe's offense and break him down. Bernard Hopkins beat Calzaghe but because he cruised the last round the judges found a way to steal the win from him. People need to stop using Jeff Lacey as some kind of legacy win for Calzaghe because he turned out to be a bust. I don't see anyone gloating over a win over Jermaine Taylor. Ward is much more tactical than Calzaghe and would find a way to adjust to whatever game plan he came up with. In reality all Calzaghe had was those flashy combos against lesser opponents and a lot of holding against better ones. Lots of holding is one thing him and Ward had in common.

[Metho_4u]

Ward shoots a double leg to rattle Calzaghe. then Ward crouches down to shoot again but this time he's wants nothing but testicles.


as Calzaghe is holding his nuts in agony. Tony Weeks waves the fight off for the winner by TKO. Andre Son of Genital Ward

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[Metho_4u]

Ward would slow Calzaghe's offense and break him down. Bernard Hopkins beat Calzaghe but because he cruised the last round the judges found a way to steal the win from him. People need to stop using Jeff Lacey as some kind of legacy win for Calzaghe because he turned out to be a bust. I don't see anyone gloating over a win over Jermaine Taylor. Ward is much more tactical than Calzaghe and would find a way to adjust to whatever game plan he came up with. In reality all Calzaghe had was those flashy combos against lesser opponents and a lot of holding against better ones. Lots of holding is one thing him and Ward had in common.

I think the Kessler win is much more impressive than Lacy as far as legacy, Joe did completely obliterate Jeff, but I think Kessler would've too.

[GrandmasterWang]

Joe beat Hopkins just between 2 of Nard's best career performances, the Tarver and the Pavlik beatdowns.

Def not the grandpa who fought Serguei and Joe Smith.

Hopkins still was elite and the lineal 175 champ as far as I remember.

The Roy fight was a joke.
YET, I remember a lot of people picked Roy to beat him, Roy impressed people schooling Trinidad.

Joe will never have the benefit of the doubt.

Hopkins beat Joe. Landed much harder and more effective punches. Joe got the nod because HBO wanted to have the Joe/rjj match.

Joe did however show in that fight that he shares Andre Ward's ability to get away with blatant low blows though.

Joe has never fought anyone near the caliber of Ward at anywhere near their athletic primes.

He's been hittable throughout his career and has Paulie Malinagi level power.

Ward beats Calzaghe, Kovalev starches him in a more entertaining fight than Ward/Joe

[HarvardBlue]

I think the Kessler win is much more impressive than Lacy as far as legacy, Joe did completely obliterate Jeff, but I think Kessler would've too.

I agree it's more impressive but the Calzaghe fans always bring up his wins over a shot Jones Jr, a robbery over Hopkins, and win over the hyped job Lacy. Kessler and many others would have beat Lacy because he was all hype.

Kessler also lost to Ward but once again they only remember headbutts.

[E-Thug]

I'm from the UK but let's be real, Ward is just a better boxer. Joe was the perfect example of a very good fighter who was very carefully managed which made him look great to a lot of people. He did test himself to a degree and fight some pretty good fighters at the time, but nobody even close to Andre Ward. This guy has it all, lots of boxing skill, high level defense, an inside game, a GREAT jab and right hand, and an amazing IQ and unbreakable will to win to top it all of. Not to say Andre straight beats him up or blows him out but ultimately he's the better fighter and would've won if they matched up prime vs prime in a competitive decision.

This^

I'm from the UK too and like you, I agree Ward beats him in a 8 - 4 type decision. Calzaghe is one of our grossly overrated fighters.

If Ward is allowed to headbutt, hug, grapple, maul and hit, and low blow he wins. If it's a fair fight it's 50/50 and I'd actually favor Calslappy slightly. I don't see all this "skill" that others see in Ward. He is a poor mans youthful Hopkins that is slightly less dirty but also slightly less fundamentally as sound as Hopkins.

I wanna get back to you on this via visitor or private message because this is a point that I wanna talk about and could turn out to be a great discussion