Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

[BillyBoxing]

Hopkins was already old as shyt when he fought Joe, acting like he didn't already rack up 2 losses to Taylor. In what world is Taylor better/more dangerous than Kov, Smith, Barrera?

Joe still went life and death with him arguably losing and getting dropped against such a sub par puncher.

Tarver, Pavlik? Tarver already had a L to Harding, his claim to fame was beating a shot RJJ like Joe. Smith, Kov, Barrera literally all have better resumes than him LOL. Everyone knows Pavlik was a 1 dimensional brawler, it took JT punching himself out after he knocked him down to lose to him. Prime Hopkins was a career 160lber, not a SMW, not a LHW.

Ward SCHOOLED Kessler, his fight was even less competitive than Joe's who was losing some of the early rounds and he did it BEFORE he was in his prime. I looove how you throw in Froch's name like he wasn't some P4P fighter he got robbed against Kessler the 1st time and beat his ass in the rematch.

Maybe somebody had to laid the blueprint first that Kessler dislike pressure, that's what happens when you not fighting a leftlover.

You can argue that everybody is a bum on Joe's record or wasn't at his best because he got his butthurt the night before the fight.

That's just your opinion bro.

Still, Joe's record over Ward's.

[CatchAndShoot]

Ward is the superior boxer, and superior fighter. He'd have worn him out with his clinch fighting, and body shots, just like most of Ward's opponents. I think it would be a pretty competitive fight, but Ward is way too strong, and way too smart for Calzaghe.

I honestly think Ward is the smartest, and most fundamentally sound fighter in boxing history. At least one of them. Other than his strength in the clinch, he doesn't have any crazy physical attribute, or advantage over a lot of his opponents. He's just extremely smart, and extremely fundamentally sound.

[petero]

Anybody that watched SOG VS Kessler knows that Calzaghe would mop the floor with Ward.

Calzaghe shut his ass out 12-0. And that was against a PRIME Kessler.

I saw that fight live in Oakland. The ref was a pathetic hand picked job. It was a master class head butt & hold by Ward.A legit ref would have took points or D.Q.. I will say Calzaghe beat a much better Kessler than Ward did.

All of these Ward nutt
huggers don't like to hear the fact that Calzaghe is in the Hall Of Fame,
Champion for 10+years 20+ defenses beat 11 world champions etc. Even the legend Emanuel Stewart said he never saw a beating like when he destroyed Lacey. That fight is like watching a classic movie.

[just the facts]

I saw that fight live in Oakland. The ref was a pathetic hand picked job. It was a master class head butt & hold by Ward.A legit ref would have took points or D.Q.. I will say Calzaghe beat a much better Kessler than Ward did.

All of these Ward nutt
huggers don't like to hear the fact that Calzaghe is in the Hall Of Fame,
Champion for 10+years 20+ defenses beat 11 world champions etc. Even the legend Emanuel Stewart said he never saw a beating like when he destroyed Lacey. That fight is like watching a classic movie.

Orrrrrrrrrrrrr, maybe boxing fans like me absolutely respect Calzaghe, recognize his talent, resume and firmly believe he is a HOF worthy fighter but believe as good as Joe was, Ward is the better fighter.

[Cutthroat]

But you are just yourself creating a context in order to downplay Calzaghe's opponent.

I can downgrade Ward's record too.

And it will be faster.

Abraham, an average 160 champ who is utter sht at 168.
Pavlik was a lot better than Abraham by the way.

Bika, Kessler, 2 Calzaghe leftlovers, Calzaghe took Kessler's 0 laid a blueprint.

Froch, never was P4P to me despite having a decent record, he's not better than Kessler.

Kitty Kov; best win? JEAN FCKIN PASCAL.

Miranda is a bum.

-Abraham has the 4th most title defenses in MW history and is a 2 division champ. "average" lol, Pavlik barely made 3 defenses, and Joe never fought him.

-Joe was eating head shots all night against Kessler/Bika, Ward's face barely got touched, lol "blueprint", Ward wasn't even in his prime.

-Froch beat the shyt out of Kessler in the rematch proving he was robbed the 1st time and flat out better.

-Pascal is a 2 division champ with wins over Dawson, Bute, Gonzalez etc. His fights with Hopkins were just as close as Calzaghe's lmao.

-Kov blew Hopkins out with absolute ease, Joe went life and death with him even though they were fighting at 173. Before that the biggest man Hopkins had fought was Tarver, he had more time to adapt and was a better LHW vs Kov.

-Miranda has only ever lost to elite fighters, better than 95% of Joe's resume

[robertzimmerman]

You got it all wrong, I never used that fact to argue that Joe would beat him, BUT, just to prove that Ward isn't some kind of unbeatable guy like a prime Roy or a prime Ali like most of his fanboys think he's.

Neither was Joe.

[robertzimmerman]

Yet fought and beat a man who beat them 120-108 during the same years??????
Just wait a minute bro and respect the man who had a great career.
Do you realize your own bias?

Calzaghe sure had the mental strenght to beat him.

He fought at 168 all the guy he could fight.

Eubank, Reid, Lacy, Mitchell, Kessler, Woodhall were no slouch and all world champions at 168.
Some were old, some weren't that good, but I don't think he was a duck.

Joe cleaned up in his area 168 except the Germans who didn't want to fight.

And still, Kessler beat Bayer, Mitchell got robbed in germany and beat Ottke.
Calzaghe beat both Kessler and Mitchell.

I don't care if Joe beat the guy in Hopkins, who beat Pavlik and Tarver. That's not the point. When Joe signed to fight Hopkins, Hopkins hadn't fought Pavlik yet.

The point is: He wouldn't fight Tarver, he wouldn't fight Pavlik, and he wouldn't fight Dawson.

Yet you want to believe that he'd have moved up to LHW and fought Kovalev? You're kidding yourself. It's a fantasy. He would never have taken that fight. He would never have risked his zero against a guy like that.

Yes, in the early 00's, Joe had done all he could at SMW, apart from fighting Ottke. And that wasn't Joe's fault. Ottke didn't want it. But instead of moving up to LHW at that point, he stayed at SMW, where he had to starve himself to make weight from 190 pounds, to defend a lightly regarded belt against B and C class fighters. Think about that for a minute. Lacy and Kessler weren't on the scene then, and he even said before he fought Mkrtchyan that there was nothing left for him. Yet he still remained. And this is the guy who you think would have fought Kovalev if he'd have been in Andre's position. It's laughable. Pure fantasy. Joe didn't take those kinds of risks.

[robertzimmerman]

Another, biased, unfair post from a now obvious Calzaghe detractor.

You're obviously talking about the end of his career when he was a stepping stone.



Mitchell beat Liles(a man who beat Nunn and Mercado) who was a solid WBA belt holder, Green, but also arguably Girard (a draw in Girard french hometown) and Ottke (lost by SD decision in germany and we all know what means SD vs Ottke in germany).

Mitchell was game never really had been beaten when he faced Joe, was twice a world champion at 168, and Joe stopped him in very few rounds, yet that wasn't an impressive performance...

Yes, it was an impressive performance by Joe in an exciting fight. But Mitchell was a C class fighter.

What's your criteria?

In my opinion, an A class fighter is someone who's elite such as: Roy, Joe and Andre Ward etc.

A B class fighter would be someone like Froch and Kessler.

A C class fighter would be someone like Mitchell and Reid.

[robertzimmerman]

I know both record very well and Joe definitely has a better one IMO.
If you disagree that's fine.

Had to bring up Miranda, Green, Rodriguez, Barrera and talking about a bunch of no names for fckin sake...

How does Joe definitely have a better resume?

[Kigali]

How does Joe definitely have a better resume?

I think he meant better complexion....