Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

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  • The Big Dunn
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    #101
    Ward would annihilate Calzaghe.

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    • daggum
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      #102
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      Ward would annihilate Calzaghe.
      i agree and everyone knows i hate both guys about equally. we have to assume the fight will be in the usa since ward refused to travel and where ward will be able to cheat nonstop. i dont see calzaghe getting any rhythm with ward jumping in and clinching him while hitting him with clean shots after wrestling him around and at long range.

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        #103
        Originally posted by daggum
        i agree and everyone knows i hate both guys about equally. we have to assume the fight will be in the usa since ward refused to travel and where ward will be able to cheat nonstop. i dont see calzaghe getting any rhythm with ward jumping in and clinching him while hitting him with clean shots after wrestling him around and at long range.
        Ward is just the better overall fighter. He has a much better resume. I think if Ward were not an American then we wouldn't even be discussing this.

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        • Madison Boxing
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          #104
          Originally posted by daggum
          except those compubox stats were completely disproven upon video review. why do you keep touting them as if they are fact? just ignorant or disingenous? calzaghe barely landed anything clean on hopkins. he got the gift decision after walking into counters and missing wildly. gift decisions prove how great he was? he not underrated like you claim. hes overrated.
          it wasnt a gift man, hbo had him 116-111 up for a reason, cause he put on a clinic. joe looked great that night, compubox isnt 100 percent accurate, but when i watched that fight joe was the aggressor, joe was landing the shots, hopkins was just fighting negative- he was outgunned.

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            #105
            Originally posted by The Big Dunn
            Ward would annihilate Calzaghe.
            come on man april fools day was a few months ago...

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              #106
              Originally posted by BillyBoxing
              What a bunch of phony bullshts.

              You perfectly know that Joe fought him 7 years before.

              Do you think that the Nard who schooled Tarver and Pavlik would lose to Joe Smith Jr or even Kitty kov???

              Ward best win at 168 (along with Froch) was a Calzaghe's left lover in Kessler.

              So I wouldn't sht that much on Calzaghe's 168 career, because Ward's is far from being better.

              Hopkins was already old as shyt when he fought Joe, acting like he didn't already rack up 2 losses to Taylor. In what world is Taylor better/more dangerous than Kov, Smith, Barrera?

              Joe still went life and death with him arguably losing and getting dropped against such a sub par puncher.

              Tarver, Pavlik? Tarver already had a L to Harding, his claim to fame was beating a shot RJJ like Joe. Smith, Kov, Barrera literally all have better resumes than him LOL. Everyone knows Pavlik was a 1 dimensional brawler, it took JT punching himself out after he knocked him down to lose to him. Prime Hopkins was a career 160lber, not a SMW, not a LHW.

              Ward SCHOOLED Kessler, his fight was even less competitive than Joe's who was losing some of the early rounds and he did it BEFORE he was in his prime. I looove how you throw in Froch's name like he wasn't some P4P fighter he got robbed against Kessler the 1st time and beat his ass in the rematch.

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                #107
                Originally posted by BillyBoxing
                LOOOOOOOOL

                Did you start watching boxing 3 years ago?

                Easy career, yet beat 11 world champions in his whole career:

                Current/Former Alphabet Titlists Defeated: 9 Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, Roy Jones Jr, Bika.

                Current/Former Lineal World Champions Defeated: 2 Byron Mitchell, Bernard Hopkins

                Andre Ward beat 5 Alphabet titilists Froch, Bika, Kessler, Dawson, Abraham and 1 lineal champion Kovalov.

                Including 2 Calzaghe's leftlovers...

                So Dre is halfway to be as great as Calzaghe, but that's cool, he can do better than Joe but still respect the welshman's legacy wich is actually a lot better than Ward's.

                Guys like you completely ignore context to fit your agenda, idk how many times you've been told Eubank had to lose 20lbs in 2 weeks to fight Joe and you act like it doesn't matter. Eubank got beaten 2x immediately after fighting Joe to journeyman Carl Thompson.

                Joe struggled mightily with Reid, a guy who lost to Mulanga 1 fight before Joe, and lost 1 fight after Joe to Branco. Again, you ignore context.

                Lacy, struggled mightily with journeyman Omar Sheika, again you ignore context.

                RJJ, brutally KO'd by Tarver, Johnson 4 years earlier, once again you ignore context.

                Woodhall, jesus christ you're reaching, clear losses to Beyer/Holmes, arguably lost to Catley, once again you do your mental gymnastics.

                Brewer couldn't even beat Ottke, one of the biggest jokes in boxing, Ottke didn't even need a signature robbery to win the fight lmao. Also stopped by Veit 2 years later.

                Bika, just like Kessler Ward fought him and beat him far more convincingly than Joe.

                Context matters, YDKSAB without it.

                A guy getting dropped by shot to **** RJJ, feather fisted Hopkins, struggling with Reid, getting dropped by journeyman like Mitchell is somehow going to handle the punches of Froch, Barrera, Kovalev etc.

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                  #108
                  This would be one of the dirtiest fights of all time.

                  I'd probably put money on it ending in DQ.

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                  • JK1700
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by DramaShow
                    joe would win, trust me on that. wards a world class fighter but joe was near on unbeatable at 168. Ward likes fighting on the inside, but guess what, so does joe. hed be far too busy, far too much volume of shots coming wards way. Wards not unbeatable, most though kov beat him and he was 115-113 on two of the cards against froch. It would be one of joes closer fights but youre looking at the region of 116-112, 117-111 on the scorecards. Ward similar to hopkins and joe landed more shots on bernard than any fighter in his career had done, think he outlanded him by double the punches almost. its criminal how underrated joe is on this forum.
                    Originally posted by petero
                    Joe Calzaghe all day long. 46-0 for a very good reason. So Joe was a "slapper" w 32 ko's and Ward is a grappler, head butt, holder. Watch the Lacy fight and you would see Ward would have been in for his first defeat in my honest opinion. Joe was a punching machine period.
                    Come on guys i'm from the UK too but let's be real Ward has fought and beat a lot better competition and is just a more complete all around boxer. All you gotta do is watch both guys fight and you can clearly see Ward has a lot more tools/attributes than Calzaghe. Better speed, power, footwork, better inside fighter etc. Joe threw a lot of punches we all know that but Ward's defense/movement would neutralize that and counter him a lot which would obviously reduce that output significantly. Kovalev beat Ward? You think the Froch fight was close? Just stop it.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                      Ward would annihilate Calzaghe.
                      As if Joe would go near him.

                      That coward fought the LOSER of an elimination bout for his crap title

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