Realistically only welterweights that can beat Floyd are Leonard/Hearns/Robinson.

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    #81
    Originally posted by Sane boxing fan
    The thing is that Paul William's height alone at 147 made him extremely dangerous with his ability to apply pressure, his physical abilities would had overwhelmed Mayweather skills. Similar to prime Margarito and the insane pressure he would bring would have cracked Mayweather for sure
    What physical abilities? The dude got PUT TO SLEEP by Maravilla, robbed Lara, etc.

    B level fighter, overrated, and Floyd would have picked him apart. He wasn't ready. IF you can't decisively beat Erislandy Lara there's no way you're beating Floyd Mayweather.

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      #82
      Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
      Sure he may have a sting to his punches (& that was against Pacquia who isn't a true Welter like Hearns, Leonard, Duran & Benitez) but his power wasn't the same as in the lightwgt division. And so what he put Marquez down & he's a friggin LIGHT-WEIGHT!. And on the contrary I expected Floyd to do more than just drop his A$$, especially when he didn't make the contractual wgt. You can't use Marquez as an example comparing with Welters or even what Hagler did to Hearns. And Please people, Floyd only had 1 fight at Jr Welter. So now we'll assume he would beat anybody ay Jr. Welter? Remember we had other great fighters at Jr Welter; Pernell Sweet pea Whitaker, Aaron the hawk Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez.
      Whitaker would have gotten that work, based on his fights with De La Hoya.

      Pryor was too slow.

      JCC would have been rough, but not impossible.

      The only fighter I see logically beating Floyd Mayweather was MAYBE Sugar Ray Robinson.

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        #83
        I can see both Rays beating Mayweather but I can see Mayweather beating them too

        But I don't see Mayweather beating Hearns at all. Hearns only lost once at welterweight and that was against Ray Leonard in the 14th round of a fight in which he was winning. In fact, near enough all of Hearns' lossess came against guys who were complete ****ers - Leonard, Hagler, Barkley etc guys who could hit like a truck and actually BROUGHT THE FIGHT TO HEARNS.

        Manny Steward would craft the perfect gameplan for Hearns. He's a better boxing mind than Roger or Floyd Sr. Mayweather doesn't have the power Leonard or Hagler had, is at a height disadvantage and reach disadvantage which is critical especially in a fight like this where every inch counts, had trouble with De La Hoya's jab whereas Hearns jab is far superior and only fought what Corrales who was taller than him. No disrespect to Corrales but he'd get blasted by Hearns within 3 or 4.

        Hearns is just a stylistic nightmare for any welterweight.

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          #84
          Donald curry????

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            #85
            Hearns and hands of stone Duran would have had a great shot in their primes. Of all of floyds fights corrales was his lone really tall fighter he fought and he was slow. Hearns right was not slow. And Duran was a far far better boxer than maidana and would have used the same game plan

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              #86
              Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
              Right now Spence beats Floyd.
              Spence gets hit very very easily. True he stands up to it but a prime Floyd 10-2's him

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                #87
                Originally posted by revelated
                You know, I always get surprised when people claim Floyd has no pop in his punches.

                Don't you find it kind of odd that with ONE punch in the first round, Floyd turned Manny Pacquiao from his usual buzzsaw, relentless pressure style into a cautious, tentative, almost terrified boxer puncher with a low punch output (for him)? Apparently, his punches sting enough. Lest we not forget, he was able to put Marquez down, something nobody expected him to do.



                Similar body style with Hearns slightly lankier with a longer reach and faster. Taller than Floyd, and Floyd negated Corrales' height advantage flawlessly.



                As Reloaded said, not even a punch landed. People keep overrating Paul Williams, the dude was a B level fighter at best and nowhere in Floyd's class of service. The Lara fight alone told us that Williams shouldn't even be mentioned in the running against TBE.



                I didn't say fight like Hagler, I said would beat Hearns the same way Hagler did - allow Hearns to gas and throw himself out of energy, then capitalize and walk him down to a stoppage. That's essentially what he did to Hatton.
                Ok Tommy ran out of gas after he smashed Hagler with some devastating punches. Punches that Mayweather wouldn't be able to take. Hearns also got hit hard by Hagler. A lot harder than Floyd can punch. Tommy Hearns was an elite fighter. Corrales didn't have the hand speed or the power of Tommy. Tommy also had a higher boxing IQ. Saying Hearns and Corrales are on the same level because they are both tall for their division is just wrong.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by TonyGe
                  Ok Tommy ran out of gas after he smashed Hagler with some devastating punches. Punches that Mayweather wouldn't be able to take. Hearns also got hit hard by Hagler. A lot harder than Floyd can punch.
                  You assume that Floyd would even let Hearns hit him. Which I seriously doubt. Besides, Floyd took a flush overhand from Marcos Maidana and stayed on his feet. I'm fairly certain he can handle Hearns' power.

                  Point is, if you can't hit something, your power is meaningless. Hearns was accurate at 147 but he'd never faced anyone anywhere near Floyd's speed except maybe Leonard - you know, the one King that Hearns couldn't beat?

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by JasonBoxing
                    People bash Floyd all the time but realistically the only 3 welterweights that can beat him at 147 for sure are Leonard Hearns and Robinson.

                    Ain't nobody else beating Floyd.
                    There have been a lot of terrific Welterweight fighters in the last 100 years. I not sure your right when you said now one else could beat Floyd. Styles make fights and there are some guys that a certain fighter just can't beat.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by revelated
                      You assume that Floyd would even let Hearns hit him. Which I seriously doubt. Besides, Floyd took a flush overhand from Marcos Maidana and stayed on his feet. I'm fairly certain he can handle Hearns' power.

                      Point is, if you can't hit something, your power is meaningless. Hearns was accurate at 147 but he'd never faced anyone anywhere near Floyd's speed except maybe Leonard - you know, the one King that Hearns couldn't beat?
                      Hearns was very very technically sound and he used his height like none other. He didn't overextend on his jab or right hand and both were crunching shots. Hearns could use his reach to win a boring fight with Floyd or punish Floyd for trying to jump inside. Fact is Floyd fought almost exclusively fighters who wanted to take the fight to him or had reach disadvantages and his impeccable defense and counter punching could dominate fights. Hearns could jab his way easily to a win and I don't know if Floyd has the srl heart or chin to get inside consistently

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