Realistically only welterweights that can beat Floyd are Leonard/Hearns/Robinson.

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  • TonyGe
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    #91
    Originally posted by revelated
    You assume that Floyd would even let Hearns hit him. Which I seriously doubt. Besides, Floyd took a flush overhand from Marcos Maidana and stayed on his feet. I'm fairly certain he can handle Hearns' power.

    Point is, if you can't hit something, your power is meaningless. Hearns was accurate at 147 but he'd never faced anyone anywhere near Floyd's speed except maybe Leonard - you know, the one King that Hearns couldn't beat?
    Surprise! Hearns beat Leonard in the rematch although it was at a higher weight. It was scored a draw but Ray later admitted that Hearns deserved the victory. Tommy was 6'1" Corrales was 5'10". Tommy had a 8" reach advantage over Corrales. When I watched Corrales fight on TV they were comparing him to Tommy. It made good PR but I had to laugh at the comparison.

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      #92
      Originally posted by TheUptownKid
      Hearns was very very technically sound and he used his height like none other. He didn't overextend on his jab or right hand and both were crunching shots. Hearns could use his reach to win a boring fight with Floyd or punish Floyd for trying to jump inside. Fact is Floyd fought almost exclusively fighters who wanted to take the fight to him or had reach disadvantages and his impeccable defense and counter punching could dominate fights. Hearns could jab his way easily to a win and I don't know if Floyd has the srl heart or chin to get inside consistently
      Great breakdown. Hearns destroys Floyd relatively easily imo. Of the 4, he would be the worst possible for Floyd.

      Floyd gets hit in every fight, sure not that much usually but he gets hit. It's ludicrous to think a sniper like Hearns wouldn't hit him. Also that Hearns jab would menace Floyd for as long as he lasted. Hearns is nothing like the much smaller, weaker hitting Hatton as a matchup.

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        #93
        Originally posted by TheUptownKid
        Spence gets hit very very easily. True he stands up to it but a prime Floyd 10-2's him
        Prime Floyd wasn`t even a 147 fighter.

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          #94
          Originally posted by daggum
          how can you even judge how good he is? in his prime he fought bums like baldomir, judah, and little hatton. past his prime he fought lil marquez, shot mosley, and some had him losing to maidana and old pac. the ultimate never tested fantasy fighter.
          Ok let's do some math. The average boxer cuts 8-12 pounds... the "bigger guys" of their divisions cut about 15-18 pounds...and some guys like Rios and Chavez cut 20+ pounds...Floyd weighs about 150 pounds...he could EASILY cut 15 pounds and make 135 and go 750-0, he could also easily cut 10 pounds and compete at 140 where he'd still be a beast. Floyd moved up to WW and JMW because their was huge names and huge fights to be made. Leonard,hearns,Duran are not guys that weigh 150 pounds. Floyd gets my respect because he could of stayed at 35-40 pounds and dominated more then he did at WW but he didn't to pursue bigger things. That's risk, and that's what champions do. P.s Mosley wasn't "shot" he just demolished Margarito in his previous fight & "lil Marquez" who would go onto KO Pacquiao?? (Probably Memo's shakes but still)

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            #95
            Originally posted by TonyGe
            It was scored a draw but Ray later admitted that Hearns deserved the victory.
            I'm going to help you out.

            You know how like back in school, the teacher gives you an F on that test and your friend is all like, "man, that teacher was just biased, he really deserved to pass that test"?

            That doesn't mean you passed it. You failed. Get over it.

            That's my answer to you. At the end of the day, history books show that Hearns has NEVER BEATEN Sugar Ray Leonard.

            Stylistically, Floyd Mayweather is very similar to Lenoard in many ways, and employs the same tactics to frustrate and make opponents miss.

            It stands to reason that Hearns' style works against guys who stand in front and are easy targets. It doesn't work against guys who know how to effectively move and strike when it makes sense.

            Prime Floyd stops Prime Hearns inside of 9 rounds. 2012 Floyd decisions Prime Hearns over 12. Period.

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              #96
              Originally posted by TheUptownKid
              Hearns was very very technically sound and he used his height like none other. He didn't overextend on his jab or right hand and both were crunching shots. Hearns could use his reach to win a boring fight with Floyd or punish Floyd for trying to jump inside. Fact is Floyd fought almost exclusively fighters who wanted to take the fight to him or had reach disadvantages and his impeccable defense and counter punching could dominate fights. Hearns could jab his way easily to a win and I don't know if Floyd has the srl heart or chin to get inside consistently
              Hearns was frequently coming straight in off balance as he threw. If Prime Floyd ducked and evaded the punch volume long enough, Hearns would gas. It's happened multiple times. At that point you'd be watching a Gatti performance of unanswered flush combos, repeated right leads and check hooks.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Juicy J
                all three of them would definitely beat floyd imo. the combination of their size and skills would be way too much for floyd to overcome.

                Other WWs i can think of that can possibly beat floyd are:

                prime dlh
                trinidad
                duran
                whitaker
                benitez
                vernon forrest
                paul williams

                Benitez, de la hoya, trinidad, and forrest all had the size and skills to hand floyd a loss.

                duran and whitaker are two of the most skilled atg fighters ever so they can definitely beat him

                williams might not be the most skilled but his huge size and crazy work rate might be enough to overwhelm floyd
                Finally someone mentioned Forrest. He would be a nightmare for Floyd stylistically.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by TheUptownKid
                  Hearns was very very technically sound and he used his height like none other. He didn't overextend on his jab or right hand and both were crunching shots. Hearns could use his reach to win a boring fight with Floyd or punish Floyd for trying to jump inside. Fact is Floyd fought almost exclusively fighters who wanted to take the fight to him or had reach disadvantages and his impeccable defense and counter punching could dominate fights. Hearns could jab his way easily to a win and I don't know if Floyd has the srl heart or chin to get inside consistently
                  This right here ^ anyone with an ounce of sense would know how this fight will go

                  And don't forget, as i posted earlier, Hearns would have the greatest trainer ever in Manny Steward. Manny has a far superior training record than anyone else, he'll craft the perfect game plan for Hearns to beat brittle Floyd

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by revelated
                    Whitaker would have gotten that work, based on his fights with De La Hoya.

                    Pryor was too slow.

                    JCC would have been rough, but not impossible.

                    The only fighter I see logically beating Floyd Mayweather was MAYBE Sugar Ray Robinson.
                    Aaron Pryor was a baaad Mofo!!! Too slow? think again, Aaron pryor had some weird effective foot movement, and thru punches from all angles thus making it a little to hard to counterpunch against him. He only had 1 loss & that was at the end of his career when he was using drugs.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by revelated
                      What physical abilities? The dude got PUT TO SLEEP by Maravilla, robbed Lara, etc.

                      B level fighter, overrated, and Floyd would have picked him apart. He wasn't ready. IF you can't decisively beat Erislandy Lara there's no way you're beating Floyd Mayweather.
                      errr...Please just pay attention here, If Maidana was able to land punches on Floyd, what makes you think Tommy won't? Tommy was much quicker & more accurate than Maidana. Now just read your comment here,

                      Revelated:Floyd took a flush overhand from Marcos Maidana and stayed on his feet. I'm fairly certain he can handle Hearns' power.

                      Dude, Tommy hits much, mucho harder than Maidana. That is a terrible comparison! You should be cast out of this forum for making a blasphemous post. Do you realize Tommy had 32 fights as a welterwgt & knockout 28 of them!

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