Realistically only welterweights that can beat Floyd are Leonard/Hearns/Robinson.

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  • sugar ray lenrd
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    #101
    Originally posted by revelated
    Point is, if you can't hit something, your power is meaningless. Hearns was accurate at 147 but he'd never faced anyone anywhere near Floyd's speed except maybe Leonard - you know, the one King that Hearns couldn't beat?
    And what is your point here? Leonard was better than Floyd. Leonard's fight plan was genious & he almost lost by TKO cause of that sensational jab of Tommy. It took a great fighter to beat Hearns and the only way to win that fight, you had to fight! No potshots was gonna work here.
    Last edited by sugar ray lenrd; 07-21-2017, 10:03 AM.

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      #102
      Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
      errr...Please just pay attention here, If Maidana was able to land punches on Floyd, what makes you think Tommy won't? Tommy was much quicker & more accurate than Maidana. Now just read your comment here,

      Revelated:Floyd took a flush overhand from Marcos Maidana and stayed on his feet. I'm fairly certain he can handle Hearns' power.

      Dude, Tommy hits much, mucho harder than Maidana. That is a terrible comparison! You should be cast out of this forum for making a blasphemous post. Do you realize Tommy had 32 fights as a welterwgt & knockout 28 of them!
      Maidana is a bum compared to Hearns

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        #103
        Originally posted by djtmal
        Floyd would whitewash them based on beating who? Maidana? Gtfoh
        Yea. Everyone Floyd fights, is the same. His style is to where he hits you, and you cant do anything about it. ow the guys he fought, were 15lbs bigger than him and he didt even have the power to hurt them. But he just humiliated them on legendary skillset.

        The fighters of the older era, are outdated. And its no way they will beat Floyd. Regardless of how great they are, they are just ordinary opponents throwing punches at Floyd. I dont see any of them as extremely awkward or anything. I just see typical Floyd performances against them, specially SRL.

        Floyd only loses to men one weight class above his highest weight class. Hagler, GGG, maybe a ton of others. He loses on a "size and force" technicality.

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          #104
          Originally posted by MurkaMan
          Yea. Everyone Floyd fights, is the same. His style is to where he hits you, and you cant do anything about it. ow the guys he fought, were 15lbs bigger than him and he didt even have the power to hurt them. But he just humiliated them on legendary skillset.

          The fighters of the older era, are outdated. And its no way they will beat Floyd. Regardless of how great they are, they are just ordinary opponents throwing punches at Floyd. I dont see any of them as extremely awkward or anything. I just see typical Floyd performances against them, specially SRL.

          Floyd only loses to men one weight class above his highest weight class. Hagler, GGG, maybe a ton of others. He loses on a "size and force" technicality.
          Stay gassed on who you saw Floyd beat from this era of boxers, and the only dude who believes fighters from previous eras are outdated, is you.

          At welterweight, Floyd stuck with guys who's style would never be a threat to his, or if it was, he waited them out until the fights themselves entered low risk, high reward territory. Srl, fought and beat a prime, elite hearns, a guy who was a style nightmare. We could't get Floyd nowhere near guys who presented the worst style matchup.

          and Its not to say other guys haven't waited a guy out, but certainly not to the degree that Money May mastered it.

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            #105
            Originally posted by revelated
            I'm going to help you out.

            You know how like back in school, the teacher gives you an F on that test and your friend is all like, "man, that teacher was just biased, he really deserved to pass that test"?

            That doesn't mean you passed it. You failed. Get over it.

            That's my answer to you. At the end of the day, history books show that Hearns has NEVER BEATEN Sugar Ray Leonard.

            Stylistically, Floyd Mayweather is very similar to Lenoard in many ways, and employs the same tactics to frustrate and make opponents miss.

            It stands to reason that Hearns' style works against guys who stand in front and are easy targets. It doesn't work against guys who know how to effectively move and strike when it makes sense.

            Prime Floyd stops Prime Hearns inside of 9 rounds. 2012 Floyd decisions Prime Hearns over 12. Period.
            Let me help you out. First I've never gotten an F on a test so I don't relate to what your talking about. Secondly Hearns and Leonard were in a competition with each other. They weren't friends at that point in time. Hearns is all wrong for Floyd. He has a huge advantage in reach and punching power. His jab was hard and fast. If he wanted to he could move around the ring, jab and potshot Mayweather. Tommy would have too many ways of beating Mayweather. He could win by devastating KO or simply outboxing him. Mayweather would have zero chance of winning a fight against Tommy.
            Last edited by TonyGe; 07-21-2017, 01:25 PM.

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              #106
              Originally posted by MurkaMan
              Yea. Everyone Floyd fights, is the same. His style is to where he hits you, and you cant do anything about it. ow the guys he fought, were 15lbs bigger than him and he didt even have the power to hurt them. But he just humiliated them on legendary skillset.

              The fighters of the older era, are outdated. And its no way they will beat Floyd. Regardless of how great they are, they are just ordinary opponents throwing punches at Floyd. I dont see any of them as extremely awkward or anything. I just see typical Floyd performances against them, specially SRL.

              Floyd only loses to men one weight class above his highest weight class. Hagler, GGG, maybe a ton of others. He loses on a "size and force" technicality.
              OK...I had enough of this, Dude I train fighters & I can truly & honesty say that fighters now a days don't have the same work ethics of the guys in the past. The only advantage that these fighters have today is;
              1- They have easy access to youtube videos .
              2- They have PED's & steriods.
              3- tend to be more technical incline but the problem is that they don't have the conditioning of the guys in the past. And they are not taught properly, I cringe when I see so many world class fighters that can't even bend their knees and they lean in with their punches. don't get wrong back then they did the same errors, but now a days they do it in an insurmontable amount.
              Last edited by sugar ray lenrd; 07-21-2017, 02:27 PM.

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                #107
                Originally posted by TonyGe
                Let me help you out. First I've never gotten an F on a test so I don't relate to what your talking about. Secondly Hearns and Leonard were in a competition with each other. They weren't friends at that point in time. Hearns is all wrong for Floyd. He has a huge advantage in reach and punching power. His jab was hard and fast. If he wanted to he could move around the ring, jab and potshot Mayweather. Tommy would have too many ways of beating Mayweather. He could win by devastating KO or simply outboxing him. Mayweather would have zero chance of winning a fight against Tommy.
                First of all, you took things literally instead of trying to understand. Your first mistake.

                Second, the bottom line: Hearns has never beaten Leonard, Leonard has a very similar style to Floyd, and Hearns had problems with that style. Thus strong evidence Hearns would not handle Floyd like you think.

                Done.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                  Please just pay attention here, If Maidana was able to land punches on Floyd, what makes you think Tommy won't? Tommy was much quicker & more accurate than Maidana.
                  Hearns fought clean. Maidana did not. Had Maidana fought at range it would have been Mayweather/Canelo all over again. But that's not his style, now is it?

                  Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                  Too slow? think again, Aaron pryor had some weird effective foot movement, and thru punches from all angles thus making it a little to hard to counterpunch against him.
                  Funny, the same was said about Manny Pacquiao. We saw what happened.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
                    Prime Floyd wasn`t even a 147 fighter.
                    What fight do you think was his prime? Corrales, bc that came right after Castillo and before zab which wasn't his peak. I think he most effectively utilized his skills afte odlh which would be his 147 prime imho

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by revelated
                      Hearns was frequently coming straight in off balance as he threw. If Prime Floyd ducked and evaded the punch volume long enough, Hearns would gas. It's happened multiple times. At that point you'd be watching a Gatti performance of unanswered flush combos, repeated right leads and check hooks.
                      Hearns only would have to eat one to realize I should fight from the outside where my advantages are. Plus he wasn't the same size like Gatti was and he wasn't slow like gatti or corrales.

                      To use gatti as a comparison is lazy, he and hearns are totally different fighters and hearns had a very high ring iq. He only reached with srl after he started getting inside and doing work, Floyd has not shown that persistence with a top level tall fighter before. Floyd is a beast and I love his game truly but hearns would have made him pay for that flash all night.

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