Comments Thread For: Stiverne Hires Prince and Dubin - Will NOT Allow Wilder-Ortiz

[original zero]

Where have you read Wilder won his entire purse in court ? Source please.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...ivil_suit.html

Wilder is now set to receive the $4.5 million purse which was placed in escrow.

[Teetotaler]

Whomever made this clown the mando should be fired on the spot. This ish is ridiculous

He should. I just think its funny that somebody finally stands up to don king it has to be this scenario of all times

[original zero]

Nah he never should have been in the eliminator in the first place.

How low was he supposed to drop in the rankings? He was the champion. He lost. He was moved down to #5. Seems pretty fair. Then Don King was smart and waited for others to lose and pursue other titles so Stiverne could work his way back up.

Had Fury & Glazkov not chosen other belts over the WBC, it could have taken Stiverne five years to get his rematch this way, but King played things well and Fury & Glazkov choosing the WBO & IBF sped up the process.

WBC was truly disgraceful in how they handled this situation, and if they had any decency at all, they would intervene and either work it out with Stivernes camp (ie throw some weight around and show this idiot whos boss), or put up the money for a decent purse.

WBC did everything by the book. Not their fault Povetkin cheated twice.

Trying to show a fighter who is boss when the fighter is in the right is how you wind up bankrupt. WBC learned their lesson on that one.

[Ray*]

1 .- Alexander Povetkin (Russia) SILVER
2 .- Mike Perez (Cuba/Ireland)
3 .- Tyson Fury (GB) EBU/BBBC
4 .- Vyacheslav Glazkov (Ukraine)
5 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)

Those are the rankings after Stiverne lost his mandatory defense against Wilder.

Povetkin & Perez fought in an eliminator and Povetkin won, becoming the mandatory.

Fury chose to become WBO mandatory and Glazkov chose to become IBF mandatory.

So Stiverne moved up the rankings as people lost or fought for other titles.

Ortiz was interim WBA world heavyweight champion at the time and ineligible to be ranked by the other organizations.

Stiverne (#2) agreed to fight Povetkin (#1) to become the mandatory. Povetkin cheated (again) and was removed from the rankings.

Which is how Stiverne became the mandatory.

To be honest i cannot fault the WBC here, apart from the rankings, maybe Ortiz should have been ranked higher than those names?

[original zero]

To be honest i cannot fault the WBC here, apart from the rankings, maybe Ortiz should have been ranked higher than those names?

as i explained in the very post you quoted, ortiz was interim WBA world champion at the time, and ineligible to be ranked by the IBF/WBC/WBO.

[aboutfkntime]

what choice did the WBC have? let a third year go by with no mandatory? demand stiverne fight an eliminator when he was already promised a fight for the interim title?

schedule another interim title fight when wilder was back and available?

no matter how you slice it, don king has a juicy lawsuit if stiverne is not named the mandatory.

and considering wilder won HIS ENTIRE PURSE in court due to povetkin cheating, there is a very good chance stiverne's lawsuit would have been successful.

surprise, surprise.....

imagine seeing you here, faithfully defending the WBC

who woulda thought ?

in answer to the question above.....

1) how about, fix their rankings..... ?

2) how about, explain to Bermane Stiverne that he needs to get off his fat ass and earn a title shot..... especially considering the utter spanking that he received at the hands of Wilder last time?

3) how about, realize that Wilder/Ortiz is better for boxing..... so order Stiverne to fight an eliminator against the next guy in line..... considering the fact that he hasn't done ****

did it really not occur to you to question why Stiverne is ranked ahead of Ortiz?

[Ray*]

as i explained in the very post you quoted, ortiz was interim WBA world champion at the time, and ineligible to be ranked by the IBF/WBC/WBO.

Why not? The WBC made GGG the mandatory even though he was a champ from other organisations....Yeah i know he beat Rubio for it, so this shouldn't matter.

[aboutfkntime]

How low was he supposed to drop in the rankings? He was the champion. He lost. He was moved down to #5. Seems pretty fair. Then Don King was smart and waited for others to lose and pursue other titles so Stiverne could work his way back up.

Had Fury & Glazkov not chosen other belts over the WBC, it could have taken Stiverne five years to get his rematch this way, but King played things well and Fury & Glazkov choosing the WBO & IBF sped up the process.

WBC did everything by the book. Not their fault Povetkin cheated twice.

Trying to show a fighter who is boss when the fighter is in the right is how you wind up bankrupt. WBC learned their lesson on that one.

he is lucky to be considered a top10 fighter

[aboutfkntime]

To be honest i cannot fault the WBC here.....

and yet, you did a great job..... TWICE

..... apart from the rankings.....

..... maybe Ortiz should have been ranked higher than those names?

he should have been ranked higher than Stiverne

[aboutfkntime]

as i explained in the very post you quoted, ortiz was interim WBA world champion at the time, and ineligible to be ranked by the IBF/WBC/WBO.

what utter wank

* that is THEIR decision
* the result of THEIR decision is, they have second-rate rankings

1) they should be held accountable for their decisions
2) they should be held responsible for their rankings

what utter wank

insinuating that..... the WBC had no choice. because THEIR rules state blah blah..... is an irresponsible childish cop-out

on what planet are adult human beings not held responsible for THEIR own decisions/rules

the ONLY correct viewpoint is..... their rules are ****, and so are their rankings

you have an extremely childish viewpoint, rules doe