Comments Thread For: Stiverne Hires Prince and Dubin - Will NOT Allow Wilder-Ortiz

[original zero]

did it really not occur to you to question why Stiverne is ranked ahead of Ortiz?

why would i question something i already know the answer to?

ortiz was interim WBA world champion, and therefore ineligible for the IBF/WBC/WBO rankings.

when ortiz dumped the WBA belt to duck ustinov and eventually became WBA super champion mandatory, the WBC began ranking him. but they're not going to leap frog him past the #1 & #2 who were already scheduled to fight for the interim title.

when povetkin fails his test (again), there is no basis at that point to jump ortiz past stiverne. you can't punish stiverne for povetkin's failure.

[KING5TWENTY]

Damnit I hate it stiverne shouldnt even be ranked he hasnt done **** since the wilder fight and he feels like he deserves it?

[original zero]

Why not? The WBC made GGG the mandatory even though he was a champ from other organisations....Yeah i know he beat Rubio for it, so this shouldn't matter.

Rubio was the interim WBC world champion. GGG beat him in a unification fight. GGG was the mandatory by means of being interim champion, not by being the #1 contender. very different situation. the four orgs do not rank the champs of the other orgs. the WBC did not rank GGG. he won a unification fight.

[original zero]

Damnit I hate it stiverne shouldnt even be ranked he hasnt done **** since the wilder fight and he feels like he deserves it?

he was the champion. he lost to the #1 contender. the champion doesn't fall out of the top 15 just because he lost to #1. that isn't how boxing works.

the WBC ranked him #5 after the loss. pretty reasonable considering over the course of the previous four years he'd held the WBC united states championship, WBC international championship, WBC silver championship and WBC world championship.

what justification would there have been for dropping him lower than #5 after losing to #1?

[Scopedog]

Stiverne has fought once since losing the belt to Wilder to begin with, a points decision over Derick Rossy in 2015. Let me repeat - a points decision against Derick Rossy in 2015. How the hell is this guy mandatory to anything? He's done literally nothing to earn it. Don King must be blackmailing the WBC hard for his fighter to get this kind of preferential treatment.

[original zero]

the ONLY correct viewpoint is..... their rules are ****, and so are their rankings

it's not my fault you don't know how boxing works.

champions can only fight top 15 contenders.

which is why the four leagues rank the best fighters AVAILABLE and INTERESTED in fighting for their championship.

otherwise, the champion would have nobody to fight if the top 15 was full of fighters unavailable or disinterested in fighting for the championship.

it doesn't make any sense for one league to rank the champion of another league when that champion isn't interested in pursuing another title as a challenger.

[aboutfkntime]

why would i question something i already know the answer to?

ortiz was interim WBA world champion, and therefore ineligible for the IBF/WBC/WBO rankings.

when ortiz dumped the WBA belt to duck ustinov and eventually became WBA super champion mandatory, the WBC began ranking him. but they're not going to leap frog him past the #1 & #2 who were already scheduled to fight for the interim title.

when povetkin fails his test (again), there is no basis at that point to jump ortiz past stiverne. you can't punish stiverne for povetkin's failure.

but you can punish him for his own failure....

failure, you know..... when he shat the bed last time with Wilder

[damned1974]

I could be wrong but Stiverne didnt enroll in WBC's drug program (or did a no-show), so Wilder can probably find a loophole through that and still fight Ortiz.

I for 1 don't believe a rematch is great anyways...Stiverne only has a puncher's chance at best and barely won a round in 12 rounds...

[BrometheusBob.]

F*** Stiverne, seriously.

No one wants Wilder-Stiverne II.

[BrometheusBob.]

1 .- Alexander Povetkin (Russia) SILVER
2 .- Mike Perez (Cuba/Ireland)
3 .- Tyson Fury (GB) EBU/BBBC
4 .- Vyacheslav Glazkov (Ukraine)
5 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)

Those are the rankings after Stiverne lost his mandatory defense against Wilder.

Povetkin & Perez fought in an eliminator and Povetkin won, becoming the mandatory.

Fury chose to become WBO mandatory and Glazkov chose to become IBF mandatory.

So Stiverne moved up the rankings as people lost or fought for other titles.

Ortiz was interim WBA world heavyweight champion at the time and ineligible to be ranked by the other organizations.

Stiverne (#2) agreed to fight Povetkin (#1) to become the mandatory. Povetkin cheated (again) and was removed from the rankings.

Which is how Stiverne became the mandatory.

I follow all that, I do, but Stiverne being mandatory is still ****in terrible for all of us. If Stiverne had at least beat someone worth half a dam since his loss to Wilder I wouldn't be nearly so upset about it.