Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[IMDAZED]

Mayweathers win against Canelo does; absolutely.

I'm split when comparing Floyd's wins over other fighters like Cotto, Mosley and DLH though.

I like the Marquez win as well because of the fact that he KOd Pac not too long after. Very solid win that no one can take from Floyd. The extra 2 lbs on the scale didnt bother me.

Love the Mosley win -- first fight versus a welter in three years. And was for the linear title against a man rated #3 p4p.

Cotto was a solid, good win moving up.

DLH...meh.

Marquez was a great win.

[robertzimmerman]

You are always saying why you bringing up Floyd this debate has nothing to do with Floyd?

Well this is nothing to do with PAC. Why you talking about PAC?

PAC is greater than rjj and Floyd.. Rjj said PAC is no4 all time. This is before PAC lost to Floyd. No, Floyd fanboy, Floyd beating PAC don't make him greater silly billy. Neither does jmm koing PAC or hoirn robbing PAC.

Manny isn't greater than Floyd or Roy.

[robertzimmerman]

You soiund paranoid but no proof.
Most people will have rjj above Floyd for the reasons I've mentioned.
For Floyd it was all about zero at any cost. Floyd is behind rjj and BH. There's nothing wrong being fourth best of era. Many think Floyd had potential to be best. But hevwas too cautious

There's no way Floyd is behind Bernard Hopkins.

[djtmal]

I hear you. Would agree except Floyd was older and, compared to the prime version, pretty faded as well. Still rated high, like those first three names you mentioned.

i am not a big fan of these wins were dudes are faded, and they are considered great wins...too much room for debate...one guy is always more faded than the other...etc...prime vs. prime, there are little to no excuses

[robertzimmerman]

I hated Roy Jones for his showboating. Loved it when Calzaghe made him look like a clown. (Thanks Youtube!)
Now I realized it's just for shows and he turned out to be a perfect gentleman.
I also find myself liking Broner regardless of his personal issues outside the ring.
His showboating and trashing of his opponents livens up the fight.
Not to mention a great way to attract fans.
We all wish boring fighters do the same thing so they don't have to beg for fights. Lara, Rigo, etc.

Joe Calzaghe is nothing but a scavenger.

There was nothing to love about that.

A guy showboating against a guy who he'd said was shot years ago, and who he never dared to fight when he was prime?

Pathetic.

[IMDAZED]

i am not a big fan of these wins were dudes are faded, and they are considered great wins...too much room for debate...one guy is always more faded than the other...etc...prime vs. prime, there are little to no excuses

True on prime for prime. Doesn't change what he accomplished, beat a slew of p4p'ers well past his age, and in some cases well past theirs. Can't be diminished.

[djtmal]

True on prime for prime. Doesn't change what he accomplished, beat a slew of p4p'ers well past his age, and in some cases well past theirs. Can't be diminished.

in the case of alvarez yeah, but a lot of those cats the dance cards came late when they didn't have to...

[robertzimmerman]

Yeah it's definitely a good point in fairness.

I think in the mid 00's it became seen as one of the "legit" or "main" belts or whatever.

The WBO were a joke.

Do you remember the Darrin Morris incident?

He sadly died, but moved up their rankings.

They were a laughing stock.

http://assets.espn.go.com/boxing/columns/graham/1097210.html

[IMDAZED]

in the case of alvarez yeah, but a lot of those cats the dance cards came late when they didn't have to...

They can't complain when the guy they're fighting is even older.

[New England]

jones at his peak was the more dominant fighter and better p4p. floyd wouldn't even fight jones if they were the same size. he just didn't want that kind of a challenge. he'd rather make more money fighting several lesser fighters. you know it, and i know it. jones would fight floyd out on the cobbles for no money just to prove he was a better fighter. again, you know it, and i know it.


floyd had a better career. resumes are a list of accomplishments, and floyd accomplished more. his style was still viable when he'd slowed down, and it allowed him to rack up many solid wins long after jones was all done.

jones' style would always bank on being faster, having better timing, even when he didn't have better timing once he'd taken some hits and gone back down in weight. you saw it happen when he lost to hopkins in the second fight.

jones has two better wins, green but physically prime hopkins, and absolute peak toney, both of whom he schooled. toney he made look flat out bad. those are better wins than making diego corrales, a guy who is not on the level of toney or hopkins, look flat out bad. as sad as it sounds for a bonafide great fighter, floyud's best win is probably corrales.


and jones does not go tit for tat in his prime against castillo, either. prime jones would have knocked castillo into next week. he was just a more capable fighter than floyd with his freakish athletcism and brain speed [which floyd had,] coupled with his freakish power [which floyd never had.]


jones better fighter at his peak
floyd better career and ultimately the more historically accomplished boxer.

both great fighters in the top 50 all time. roy is one of the most able fighters ever, and floyd has one of the best resumes ever. i'd rather hang out and drink a beer and listen to stories with roy