Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[Lomasexual]

RJJ, and it isn't close.

Floyd was a more skilled technician. But that doesn't matter, because RJJ ate technical fighters. All that matters is P4P, prime for prime, H2H who wins the fights.

It is RJJ and it isn't close.

Longevity? Who cares. If that is so important, then BHop beats them both. But anyone saying BHop is greater than either of them is an idiot - so clearly longevity doesn't mean jack shit.

Technical skills? Who cares. This isn't some mcDojo karate kata contest. What matters is who beats down the other guy. Technical skills are good because they help you do that, which is why people are impressed by them. But if the other guy is still beating you down then those lovely technical skills mean jack shit.

Whatever reason people might come up with to try to put Floyd above RJJ comes down to this: they are trying to take something that means jack shit and pretend that it means more than that. It doesn't.

RJJ, all the way. Not even a debate.

[Chollo Vista]

I have no doubts Roy would have beaten him but the fact is Roy wasn't undisputed at LHW..... he was the consensual best at the weight but he wasn't undisputed.

What belt did Dariusz Michalczewski have??

That's how Roy wasn't undisputed.

Roy wasn't undisputied of any weight class.

And Floyd has been unfied champion he had 3 of the 4 belts at Welteright just two years ago.

https://*************/watch?v=GaLaLZstCJs

At 10:14... Sounds like he said undisputed to me

[IronDanHamza]

https://*************/watch?v=GaLaLZstCJs

At 10:14... Sounds like he said undisputed to me

Like I said he didn't have the WBO but if you want to argue that the WBO wasn't legitimate at the time then that's fine by me.

[The Big Dunn]

You are always saying why you bringing up Floyd this debate has nothing to do with Floyd?

Well this is nothing to do with PAC. Why you talking about PAC?

PAC is greater than rjj and Floyd.. Rjj said PAC is no4 all time. This is before PAC lost to Floyd. No, Floyd fanboy, Floyd beating PAC don't make him greater silly billy. Neither does jmm koing PAC or hoirn robbing PAC.

Your reading comprehension is very poor. I was talking about the reason posters that are Manny fans are voting for Roy.

Not one unbiased, objective person thinks Manny is greater than floyd. Frankly, I don't see why it bothers Manny fans that he is the 2nd best of the era behind Floyd. I think that is great accomplishment.

Your opinion doesn't matter. Nothing you post matters or has any credibility because Floyd did what you posted he needed to be an ATG. When he did, you deleted the post and pretended you never posted it.

Lucky for us others posters saved the post in their signature.

[IMDAZED]

I don't know at what point the WBO became "legitimate." I still don't consider it legitimate and I see the IBO is slowly working their way in like the WBO did.

But Jones was absolutely considered undisputed LHW champ and that's because no one thought the WBO was legitimate, at least not then. He was announced as the undisputed champ and you'll notice he was recognized as undisputed in every publication, article...everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/06/sp...-champion.html

The title speaks for itself, referring to the match for all three belts vs. Reggie Johnson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones_Jr.
On June 5 of that year, Jones beat IBF champion Reggie Johnson by a lopsided 12-round decision to become the undisputed light heavyweight champion, as well as the first to unify the WBA, WBC, and IBF titles at that weight since Michael Spinks in 1983.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...re-id531878258

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3478973
Roy Jones Jr., the former undisputed light heavyweight champion and pound-for-pound king, was ringside working...


And on and on.

[The Big Dunn]

If floyd didn't cheat or use PEDS then i will put him above roy.

This is a passive vote for Floyd because Roy has tested positive but Floyd hasn't.

[Lomasexual]

I don't know at what point the WBO became "legitimate." I still don't consider it legitimate and I see the IBO is slowly working their way in like the WBO did.

Yeah, true. I still only count the IBF, WBA and WBC as being the proper belts - even though there are some great champs with different straps.

Unified to me also means having those three. It can't be a combination of IBF, WBA and IBO or anything else like that.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah, true. I still only count the IBF, WBA and WBC as being the proper belts - even though there are some great champs with different straps.

Unified to me also means having those three. It can't be a combination of IBF, WBA and IBO or anything else like that.

At this point they're giving us no choice but to accept the WBO although that's really the Top Rank belt. At this point, I just try to go by the fighter and not the belt. But if you hold the WBA, WBC and IBF titles, unless the other holder is a p4p'er rated higher than you, you're undisputed to me. Hell, you're undisputed either way.

[The Big Dunn]

At this point they're giving us no choice but to accept the WBO although that's really the Top Rank belt. At this point, I just try to go by the fighter and not the belt. But if you hold the WBA, WBC and IBF titles, unless the other holder is a p4p'er rated higher than you, you're undisputed to me. Hell, you're undisputed either way.

Yeah, true. I still only count the IBF, WBA and WBC as being the proper belts - even though there are some great champs with different straps.

Unified to me also means having those three. It can't be a combination of IBF, WBA and IBO or anything else like that.

I agree with both of you regarding the WBO belt. IMO its bogus.

The problem is when a guy like Crawford holds the belt, he legitimizes it because he is one of the best and a top p4p boxer.

[IMDAZED]

I agree with both of you regarding the WBO belt. IMO its bogus.

The problem is when a guy like Crawford holds the belt, he legitimizes it because he is one of the best and a top p4p boxer.

And that's the same problem I have. When a guy like Crawford or Loma holds that title and are recognized as champions with it. Luckily Crawford has other belts. Hopefully Loma will soon. It's a joke of a trinket that's been bought and paid for for years. Not saying the other belts are above corruption but at least they have some legitimacy/history.