Comments Thread For: Roach: If Pacquiao Was 100%, Mayweather Would've Lost

[The Big Dunn]

You mean to tell me pac was throwing 100+ per round against marquez in fight 3 and 4??? Didbt you guys say when pac fights marquez (a counter puncher) his punch stats dropped???? I

I can't speak for anyone else, just myself. If you think Manny fought JMM and Floyd the same, so be it.

[WesternChamp]

I can't speak for anyone else, just myself. If you think Manny fought JMM and Floyd the same, so be it.

ok, so speak for yourself then, so you think manny didnt struggle with marquez? so you believe pac won fight 1-3 then?

[The Big Dunn]

who cares about their earning power...i just wanted to see the fight in 2009 when both guys were peak..if floyd wins he wins but no doubt it would have been a far more competitive fight...

....floyd wasn"t comforable with the little guy not getting blood drawn all the way up to the fight and the little guy told him to suck off...floyd and manny were equal draws in 2009 and it wasn't hard to see floyd was trying to buttf**k the dude...i don't know why its so hard for YOU to see that...

floyd went as far as saying he waited the little guy out until they were the clear a side and their camp could dictate everything...manny fought wars, got kod...lost leverage, and had to cave in to every floyd whim over the years...

it was about leverage...

You may not care about earning power but Bob, Manny, Koncz and everyone on team Manny does. You can't deny that. Maybe it would've been more competitive. maybe not.

They weren't equal draws and I have never denied Floyd was flexing his power in negotiations.

He said that or is that the meaning you attached to what he said?

Manny didn't fight wars and lose leverage, he fought JMM again and lost leverage because he made a tactical error during the fight.

[WesternChamp]

I can't speak for anyone else, just myself. If you think Manny fought JMM and Floyd the same, so be it.

the only difference between pac vs marquez 4 and pac vs floyd is marquez didnt wanna get robbed again so he push the pace, in return, there was more actions.

[WesternChamp]

You may not care about earning power but Bob, Manny, Koncz and everyone on team Manny does. You can't deny that. Maybe it would've been more competitive. maybe not.

They weren't equal draws and I have never denied Floyd was flexing his power in negotiations.

He said that or is that the meaning you attached to what he said?

Manny didn't fight wars and lose leverage, he fought JMM again and lost leverage because he made a tactical error during the fight.

but manny has been knocked out before. way before he was even consider being a contender for floyd. how come his star power didnt drop??? if he fought floyd in 09 and lost, it will NOT be by ko, so how could his star power drop? they can always let him fight a few no namers, rack up on his ko ratio and the hype will be back up. so stop with "his star power will decline".

[The Big Dunn]

ok, so speak for yourself then, so you think manny didnt struggle with marquez? so you believe pac won fight 1-3 then?

If you were able to look at this as a boxing fan you'd see my point but you can't so this discussion is impossible and pointless.

Manny did struggle with JMM, which is why he and his team didn't want to fight Floyd. JMM got a draw and arguably won the next 2 fights despite being slower and smaller, by using his boxing ability.

Floyd was bigger and as fast, if not faster than Manny, had a 5 in reach advantage, more power, athleticism, ring IQ and is a far superior boxing skill than JMM. it's a bad matchup on paper for Manny and I dont see what is unfair about me saying that.

[WesternChamp]

If you were able to look at this as a boxing fan you'd see my point but you can't so this discussion is impossible and pointless.

Manny did struggle with JMM, which is why he and his team didn't want to fight Floyd. JMM got a draw and arguably won the next 2 fights despite being slower and smaller, by using his boxing ability.

Floyd was bigger and as fast, if not faster than Manny, had a 5 in reach advantage, more power, athleticism, ring IQ and is a far superior boxing skill than JMM. it's a bad matchup on paper for Manny and I dont see what is unfair about me saying that.

how did he struggle with marquez? care to explain? manny struggle with marquez that's why his team didnt want him to fight floyd so they kept making him fight the one guy that he "struggle" with? LOL. nothing is unfair about what you said about floyd being bigger, longer reach, etc. the only thing i called you out on is you saying pac fought marquez different than how he fought floyd. which is completely false!

[The Big Dunn]

but manny has been knocked out before. way before he was even consider being a contender for floyd. how come his star power didnt drop??? if he fought floyd in 09 and lost, it will NOT be by ko, so how could his star power drop? they can always let him fight a few no namers, rack up on his ko ratio and the hype will be back up. so stop with "his star power will decline".

He was with Murad Muhammad then and an unknown. When he signed the TR contract he hadn't lost for a while and had only lost to Morales, which he avenged twice.

I think losing like he did could cause less to watch. i think thats what has happened post Floyd/Manny-he isn't anywhere near the draw he was. So much so that Bob is taking him on a "world tour" to fight lesser named guys.

[djtmal]

You may not care about earning power but Bob, Manny, Koncz and everyone on team Manny does. You can't deny that. Maybe it would've been more competitive. maybe not.

They weren't equal draws and I have never denied Floyd was flexing his power in negotiations.

He said that or is that the meaning you attached to what he said?

Manny didn't fight wars and lose leverage, he fought JMM again and lost leverage because he made a tactical error during the fight.

They are supposed to care about that, but that isn't none of my concern, and in 2009, they were 1a and 1b respectively imo. The Mayweathers weren't in a position to totally dictate, and yes that actually came out of Floyd's mouth that they waited until they were the clear a-side. Why ya think everything ran so smooth in 2015.

[Kosta]

The facts don't support your opinion. You are defining how you feel and applying that across the board which is a mistake.

Floyd's fights are the most watched and sell tickets at the highest prices. Boxers who fans say are "more exciting" (ex Tito, Manny) sell less than Floyd when in with similar opponents (ODH, shane, Hatton). How else can you fairly quantify if people enjoy his fights or not?

Highly skilled fighters have never been bad for the sport. In fact, the highest skilled fighters have always driven the sport and its popularity, not the fighters you label "exciting".

You also can't say people feel cheated for going to or buying a floyd fight because again the volume of repeat purchasers indicates otherwise.

I think what could be the case, respectfully, is that you value "action" over skill and think everyone does. While we all would want every fight to be Gatti/ward or Ali/Frazier 1, that doesn't mean people do not like Floyd fights.

I'm only speaking for myself not others

But re ppv, he has a massive fan base. Fans just want to see someone win.