Comments Thread For: Roach: If Pacquiao Was 100%, Mayweather Would've Lost

[WesternChamp]

He was with Murad Muhammad then and an unknown. When he signed the TR contract he hadn't lost for a while and had only lost to Morales, which he avenged twice.

I think losing like he did could cause less to watch. i think thats what has happened post Floyd/Manny-he isn't anywhere near the draw he was. So much so that Bob is taking him on a "world tour" to fight lesser named guys.

if they was able to built him up after losing to morales, why do you think they cant do it if he lost to floyd in 09? in 09 he was still pretty much in his prime.

so a lost to floyd wouldnt have hurt him much because they'll just throw him in with b-c level fighters let him spark them out and the hype will be back on and you know this.

his star power took a bigger drop after losing to floyd in 2015 because at this point, he was just a shadow of the old manny, he wasnt able to close out shows like how he used too so his star power decline after losing to floyd because he wasnt able to bounce back the right way after that (cant get no ko). why do you need me to explain this to you though?

if he was still knocking fools out but lost to floyd in 2015, you know his star power would still be the same. his star power dropped now because he's less entertaining now because of no ko's.

[The Big Dunn]

They are supposed to care about that, but that isn't none of my concern, and in 2009, they were 1a and 1b respectively imo. The Mayweathers weren't in a position to totally dictate, and yes that actually came out of Floyd's mouth that they waited until they were the clear a-side. Why ya think everything ran so smooth in 2015.

I agree they were 1 and 2. If you call it 1a and 1b there is still a clear 1 and a clear 2.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm only speaking for myself not others

But re ppv, he has a massive fan base. Fans just want to see someone win.

ok. If its only your opinion he is boring, cool. I read your post and thought you were suggesting that opinion was universal.

While I undertaker individual posters say he is boring and the polls in NSB reflect this opinion, i think the overwhelming evidence shows fans outside of NSB do not agree with that opinion.

[The Big Dunn]

if they was able to built him up after losing to morales, why do you think they cant do it if he lost to floyd in 09? in 09 he was still pretty much in his prime.

so a lost to floyd wouldnt have hurt him much because they'll just throw him in with b-c level fighters let him spark them out and the hype will be back on and you know this.

his star power took a bigger drop after losing to floyd in 2015 because at this point, he was just a shadow of the old manny, he wasnt able to close out shows like how he used too so his star power decline after losing to floyd because he wasnt able to bounce back the right way after that (cant get no ko). why do you need me to explain this to you though?

if he was still knocking fools out but lost to floyd in 2015, you know his star power would still be the same. his star power dropped now because he's less entertaining now because of no ko's.

Different scenario, different weight class, much less at stake with Morales.

Maybe they could've. I don't see it if he loses by such a wide margin.

He wasn't getting any Ko's above 140 anyway, which adds to my point. If he fights c level guys, you can't sell PPV's which is what is happening now. your opinion assumes his star power isn't hurt by a loss when the evidence we have says the complete opposite.

His star power was in large part because HBO was marketing him as the guy who could beat Floyd and give him his toughest test. If he loses in 09, he can't use that to sell fights from 09-15.

[WesternChamp]

Different scenario, different weight class, much less at stake with Morales.

Maybe they could've. I don't see it if he loses by such a wide margin.

He wasn't getting any Ko's above 140 anyway, which adds to my point. If he fights c level guys, you can't sell PPV's which is what is happening now. your opinion assumes his star power isn't hurt by a loss when the evidence we have says the complete opposite.

His star power was in large part because HBO was marketing him as the guy who could beat Floyd and give him his toughest test. If he loses in 09, he can't use that to sell fights from 09-15.

look here, his star power decline after losing to floyd in 2015 because he wasnt able to get any ko against other fighters. if he was still knocking fools out, he will still be averaging $1mil ppv even if he lost to floyd.

if he lost to floyd in 09, it wouldnt hurt him and i explained this to you already. they'll throw him in with b-c level guys, let him spark them out and everyone will be calling for a rematch with floyd!!

even in 2015 after he lost to floyd, people is still asking for a rematch, and you want to tell me if he lost to floyd in 09, he wouldnt be able to bounce back?

[jwalkr]

Let it go.

[djtmal]

I agree they were 1 and 2. If you call it 1a and 1b there is still a clear 1 and a clear 2.

The point is, The Mayweathers were not the clear a-side in 2009

[The Big Dunn]

The point is, The Mayweathers were not the clear a-side in 2009

I would disagree. The numbers clearly show this.

[djtmal]

I would disagree. The numbers clearly show this.

let me see em

[Dosumpthin]

I am a huge pacquiao fan and love him with all my heart, but he lost badly to Floyd. I'll admit that.


I'll also admit Manny ducked drug testing. I didn't want to believe it at first until roach publicly admitted 2009 failed negotiations were there fault.

I'll also admit Manny wasn't hurt vs floyd.

And that Manny attempted to abuse toradol. I'll admit that. Reason being is the same doctor who said Manny NEEDED toradol, is the same doctor who said Manny is 100% and fit to fight when asked by NSAC.

Not a reputable doctor if you ask me. A reputable doctor would be stuck by his diagnosis.


So I have to admit, that same doctor may have lied about the nature of the injury.


Also have to admit, as a huge pacquiao fan that I love dearly, the roach had the wrong game plan. Roach was quoted numerous times saying he trained Manny to avoid Floyd's traps and to back off and reset. That's what Manny did in may2nd.


I also will admit top rank uses Floyd's name to sell tickets.


I also believe Manny used other peds at some point especially since he admitted to smoking METH. Manny turned pro at 14 - that means he smoked METH as a fighter. = drug cheat.



I hate to admit it, but I have to give Floyd credit for destroying my life.