Comments Thread For: Roach: If Pacquiao Was 100%, Mayweather Would've Lost

[WesternChamp]

Yes and Manny never agreed to a cutoff until well after negotiations ended.

Why is it so hard for you and djtmal and others to see this? You all say Floyd always fights the same way. SO a younger, faster, better in every way Floyd fights a younger, faster, better in every way Manny in 2009. Floyd nullifies his offense and wins the same way, unless Manny is reckless like he was in the JMM fight, and gets caught because Floyd, as you have said, fights the same defensive style.

Humor me-what happens to Manny and his earning power if he loses the same way in 2009 he did in 2015?

Manny wanted a certain cut off date while floyd rejected and offer him a lesser cut off. Since manny agreed to floyds request of blood testing but he wanted a cut off, floyd should have gave it to him, its called compromise.

[WesternChamp]

but you guys said the peds pac took is not to make him faster but its to make him take punches better (that's why he was able to walk thru cotto). so why he still get slept if he was on it? LOL

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[WesternChamp]

i thought you guys also said ever since floyd accused manny of taking peds, his ko stopped, meaning he got off of it. so why in 2012 you're saying he's still on it? then why no ko?

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[The Big Dunn]

Didnt you guys say pac fights differently against counter puncher?? So now pac fought floyd different than how he fought marquez??? Didnt you guys say when manny fight a counter puncher like marquez then his punch stats dropped?? Lol so now you're flipping it saying he fought floyd different than how he fought marquez?? Lol. The only difference is marquez fought manny while floyd didnt. Marquez didnt wanna get robbed so he push the pace to get a ko of his own while floyd didnt.

Yes, he fought Floyd differently than he fought JMM. I think that is obvious and don't know why you are questioning that.

If thats what you think, so be it. I asked if you could look at it as a boxing fan and not a pure Manny fan but this seems to be impossible for you.

[WesternChamp]

Yes and Manny never agreed to a cutoff until well after negotiations ended.

Why is it so hard for you and djtmal and others to see this? You all say Floyd always fights the same way. SO a younger, faster, better in every way Floyd fights a younger, faster, better in every way Manny in 2009. Floyd nullifies his offense and wins the same way, unless Manny is reckless like he was in the JMM fight, and gets caught because Floyd, as you have said, fights the same defensive style.

Humor me-what happens to Manny and his earning power if he loses the same way in 2009 he did in 2015?

His star power wouldnt take a dive since floyd aint knocking him out. If they fought earlier floyd would be the one getting light up. And pac has been ko before a fight with floyd was even on the radar, how come his star power didnt decline?? Lol

[WesternChamp]

Yes, he fought Floyd differently than he fought JMM. I think that is obvious and don't know why you are questioning that.

If thats what you think, so be it. I asked if you could look at it as a boxing fan and not a pure Manny fan but this seems to be impossible for you.

You mean to tell me pac was throwing 100+ per round against marquez in fight 3 and 4??? Didbt you guys say when pac fights marquez (a counter puncher) his punch stats dropped???? I

[djtmal]

Yes and Manny never agreed to a cutoff until well after negotiations ended.

Why is it so hard for you and djtmal and others to see this? You all say Floyd always fights the same way. SO a younger, faster, better in every way Floyd fights a younger, faster, better in every way Manny in 2009. Floyd nullifies his offense and wins the same way, unless Manny is reckless like he was in the JMM fight, and gets caught because Floyd, as you have said, fights the same defensive style.

Humor me-what happens to Manny and his earning power if he loses the same way in 2009 he did in 2015?

who cares about their earning power...i just wanted to see the fight in 2009 when both guys were peak..if floyd wins he wins but no doubt it would have been a far more competitive fight...

....floyd wasn"t comforable with the little guy not getting blood drawn all the way up to the fight and the little guy told him to suck off...floyd and manny were equal draws in 2009 and it wasn't hard to see floyd was trying to buttf**k the dude...i don't know why its so hard for YOU to see that...

floyd went as far as saying he waited the little guy out until they were the clear a side and their camp could dictate everything...manny fought wars, got kod...lost leverage, and had to cave in to every floyd whim over the years...

it was about leverage...

[Liondw]

All the excuses, but why didn't Roach make sure Pacquaio filled in the medical form properly before the fight? Most fighters don't ever go into a fight a 100%. You think 'Sugar' Ray Robinson n those guys would complain about a sore arm or shoulder or leg? Nope, they just keep quiet and go ahead and fight. I like Pacquaio's great career but style-wise Mayweather is a problem for him as it showed in a rather dull fight, although maybe beautiful sweet science.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, in the same way Jose Mourinhos boring 1-0 victories where he shuts down games after his teams score is bad for football.

Fans never like sportspeople who are overly conservative - unless they support that team/athlete

I get he has a big fan base but he's boring. Sorry. Especially as most people watch boxing to see fighters show heart, balls and take a punch - not hide from them. That leaves peoole feeling cheated and that, tho he wins fair and square and with massive amounts of skill, he doesn't really deserve or at least do justice to the victory.

The facts don't support your opinion. You are defining how you feel and applying that across the board which is a mistake.

Floyd's fights are the most watched and sell tickets at the highest prices. Boxers who fans say are "more exciting" (ex Tito, Manny) sell less than Floyd when in with similar opponents (ODH, shane, Hatton). How else can you fairly quantify if people enjoy his fights or not?

Highly skilled fighters have never been bad for the sport. In fact, the highest skilled fighters have always driven the sport and its popularity, not the fighters you label "exciting".

You also can't say people feel cheated for going to or buying a floyd fight because again the volume of repeat purchasers indicates otherwise.

I think what could be the case, respectfully, is that you value "action" over skill and think everyone does. While we all would want every fight to be Gatti/ward or Ali/Frazier 1, that doesn't mean people do not like Floyd fights.

[WesternChamp]

Yes, he fought Floyd differently than he fought JMM. I think that is obvious and don't know why you are questioning that.

If thats what you think, so be it. I asked if you could look at it as a boxing fan and not a pure Manny fan but this seems to be impossible for you.

so now manny doesnt have problems with counter puncher anymore except for floyd??? that's what we going with now right? because before, marquez would always get brought up saying pac struggle with counter puncher and that's why his punch stats always drop when he fights marquez. ??? LOL