Will Sergey "The Klutcher" Holdalev do more than a head lock to stop inside fighting

[Mr Objecitivity]

Russia's pretty damn big. Part in Europe, part in Asia. But um....since Kovalev is Russian, how about him:



GREATEST RUSSIAN BOXER: KOSTA TSZYU

Round 1...less than 30 seconds going by...


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I guess he picked that up in Australia, huh?

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Singular instances don't prove much. You can find that with practically anything. Based on CONSISTENCY, boxers from Europe GENERALLY don't bend below the waist and perform other illegal moves.

[travestyny]

Another red herring logical fallacy you've just used right there. Whether Kovalev was 'worried' is totally irrelevant to whether Andre Ward was initiating fouls / illegal moves or not.

You're the one who brought it up that he was worried about head butts. You know damn well he wasn't talking about head butts to his body.

Furthermore, Sergey Kovalev was indeed worried about Ward headbutting him. I've already stated this many times and I'll state it again. The reason why Andre Ward's headbutt stopped at body / chest level was because Sergey Kovalev prevented it from going any further upwards to his face / head. That's exactly where Andre Ward's head was heading before Sergey Kovalev controlled and pushed Ward's head down.

As Barrett told you a billion times, you can't foul because you suspect a foul will happen. So here, you are admitting that Kovalev initiated fouls because of (according to you) what he thought would happen. lol. Does that make sense to you, Mr. Logic? Just put your foot in your mouth. Or, are you trying to state that Andre Ward has become adept at multiple headbutts, working up from the body to the head. He's just bouncing his head off any part of the guy's body from the bottom to the top, right? This is getting more and more ridiculous. Tell us more!


And, no, let's go further. I don't accept that he was making contact with his head to Kovalev's body. Certainly he was not headbutting his body. Please show us!!!

[travestyny]

Singular instances don't prove much. You can find that with practically anything. Based on CONSISTENCY, boxers from Europe GENERALLY don't bend below the waist and perform other illegal moves.

Vladimir Klitschko would never do that. NEVER! He's too damn tall to bend that far down.


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Ooops!

[travestyny]

Spare me the bother! If you're not going to first accept that Andre Ward was leading with his head and not his fists when attacking Sergey Kovalev in that gif I posted (which is illegal), then I see no logical reason why I have to post anything else. In other words, there's no point going to step 2 if step 1 is still yet to be established.

Ok, homie. I'm going to help you out. Let's begin with the first clinch of the fight. Tell me the moment when you see a "body headbutt" or bending below the waist. That's fair, isn't it?


Ok. It's time stamped. Just tell me the exact time and I'll look into it. Or if you don't see one, but you simple see Kovalev putting Ward into a headlock, let me know, ok?




I'll tell you what I see. Headlock by Kovalev, and then kidney punches by Kovalev! Am I wrong????

[Mr Objecitivity]

You're the one who brought it up that he was worried about head butts. You know damn well he wasn't talking about head butts to his body.




As Barrett told you a billion times, you can't foul because you suspect a foul will happen. So here, you are admitting that Kovalev initiated fouls because of (according to you) what he thought would happen. lol. Does that make sense to you, Mr. Logic? Just put your foot in your mouth. Or, are you trying to state that Andre Ward has become adept at multiple headbutts, working up from the body to the head. He's just bouncing his head off any part of the guy's body from the bottom to the top, right? This is getting more and more ridiculous. Tell us more!


And, no, let's go further. I don't accept that he was making contact with his head to Kovalev's body. Certainly he was not headbutting his body. Please show us!!!

As Barrett told you a billion times, you can't foul because you suspect a foul will happen.

Strawman fallacy! I haven't at all claimed that a 'suspect' foul is a foul. However, Andre Ward was actually fouling. The only 'suspect' thing I mentioned was the potential damage that would've been caused had Sergey Kovalev not controlled Andre Ward's head and pushed it down. The point remains the same, Andre Ward still cheated (but didn't inflict much damage with it).

Having stated that, now that you mention the point about 'suspect fouling', claiming someone who is literally about to foul but is stopped from fouling as something that isn't a foul is like saying a person who is punching another person on the face but has their punch blocked doesn't deserve criticism for punching in the face because they didn't manage to punch the face. Very absurd reasoning / logic!

A person attempting a punch but having their punch blocked deserves to be penalized / criticized for punching, the same way Andre Ward attempting a headbutt on the opponent's face but having his headbutt to the face blocked also deserves to be penalized / criticized for an attempted headbutt to the face. Andre Ward was CLEARLY attempting a headbutt!

So here, you are admitting that Kovalev initiated fouls because of (according to you) what he thought would happen.

No, Andre Ward initiated the fouls before Sergey Kovalev responded with fouls of his own.

Or, are you trying to state that Andre Ward has become adept at multiple headbutts, working up from the body to the head.

It doesn't take extra special abilities to throw double headbutts. I don't see what's so special about Andre Ward being able to throw headbutts to the head and body.

He's just bouncing his head off any part of the guy's body from the bottom to the top, right?

What?

This is getting more and more ridiculous.

I know, you're denial is definitely getting more and more ridiculous.

I don't accept that he was making contact with his head to Kovalev's body.

So what was Ward's head doing then in that gif after he went down and came back up to Sergey Kovalev's chest height if not making contact with his head on Kovalev's body? Did Andre Ward's head somehow become intangible in the last moment when his head came up to Kovalev's chest height?

If you're going to deny that Andre Ward's head didn't make contact with Sergey Kovalev's body in that gif, then you're simply denying reality. As such, there isn't any point in further discussing this with that being the case.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Vladimir Klitschko would never do that. NEVER! He's too damn tall to bend that far down.


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Ooops!

Again, another rare, singular instance of an event. So it doesn't refute, nor address anything I'm claiming as I haven't at all claimed that NO European boxer EVER ducks below the waist.

[therealpugilist]

you didn't catch anyone in anything , except confirm yourself as a ward coksucker. I seriously don't understand why it's so hard to like a fighter without being a complete imbecile like you.

You mad

All fails insult me lol



Ignore imbeciles....simple solution

[therealpugilist]

Oh, I'm sorry. I just saw you don't want to talk about other fights. Fair enough.

Tell me...who is cheating in the other gifs that Barrett posted. Do you see ducking below the waistline or "body head-butts." Let me know, bro. Let's see how honest you can be.

whatever happened to that scrub ADPO2

[travestyny]

Strawman fallacy! I haven't at all claimed that a 'suspect' foul is a foul.

So a 'suspect' foul (and by that, you mean when a person can potentially cause a foul) is NOT a foul. Ok, got it.

Having stated that, now that you mention the point about 'suspect fouling', claiming someone who is literally about to foul but is stopped from fouling as something that isn't a foul is like saying a person who is punching another person on the face but has their punch blocked doesn't deserve criticism for punching in the face because they didn't manage to punch the face. Very absurd reasoning / logic!

Literally about to foul? That's a false premise. You have no way of proving that he was literally about to foul. So he deserves to be criticized for something that is not a foul because of your false premise that it was going to be a foul? Doesn't logically hold up, does it?

Andre Ward attempting a headbutt on the opponent's face but having his headbutt to the face blocked also deserves to be penalized / criticized for an attempted headbutt to the face. Andre Ward was CLEARLY attempting a headbutt!

So according to your logic from above:

Andre Ward's 'suspect head-butting' is not a foul, but he should be penalized for it. Yup, Mrs. Logic, he should have lost points for NOT fouling. Your premise that he was CLEARLY attempting a headbutt is false unless you can prove it to be true. Can you?

The only logical premise you are left with is that Andre Ward's head had the potential of causing a headbutt, and you believe that means he should be penalized. Why not just penalize him every time he prepared to throw a body punch since they have a potential for sailing low and causing a foul. Do the same for Kovalev's head and punches having the potential to cause a foul. Yep! Great logical reasoning here!

You're falling apart.

Let's see who's being full of shlt here. Why did you duck this? I'm prepared to look more carefully at these instances of clinching by King Clincher. Are you down? Step up, son. Or is it, daughter? Don't back down now!!!!

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. STOP DUCKING AND LET'S LOOK AT THESE INSTANCES OF KOVALEV CLINCHING. OR ARE YOU AFRAID OF WHAT YOU WILL (OR WILL NOT) FIND?

Ok, homie. I'm going to help you out. Let's begin with the first clinch of the fight. Tell me the moment when you see a "body headbutt" or bending below the waist. That's fair, isn't it?


Ok. It's time stamped. Just tell me the exact time and I'll look into it. Or if you don't see one, but you simple see Kovalev putting Ward into a headlock, let me know, ok?




I'll tell you what I see. Headlock by Kovalev, and then kidney punches by Kovalev! Am I wrong????

[travestyny]

whatever happened to that scrub ADPO2

I feel bad, bro. He might have really killed himself. He was definitely on suicide watch!