Will Sergey "The Klutcher" Holdalev do more than a head lock to stop inside fighting

[travestyny]

I can, but the other user beat me to it.



Yes, because certain rules are 'UNIVERSAL'. Meaning, they apply in every fight.

According to the Marquees Queensbury rules, ducking below the waist is indeed illegal.

Exposing one's own back to the opponent is illegal. Exposing one's own back of the head to the opponent is also illegal. Why? Because they then become open targets to attack. As such, if a boxer exposes those areas, then hitting those areas should also be allowed.



In that gif I posted. Ward deliberately made the initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body using his head first, which is just as much illegal as making initial contact with an opponent's body using the knees first, or elbows first, or foot first and etc. when attacking. When attacking, the only area of the body that a boxer is ALLOWED to make initial contact upon the opponent's body is the knuckle part of their gloves. Anything else is ILLEGAL!

If you're going to argue that Andre Ward making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body using his head is legal, then why shouldn't knees or elbows or foot attacks also be allowed?

Simply put, head attacks are illegal in boxing, the same way attacking with any other part of the body is illegal except the fists.



It's blatantly obvious that Andre Ward was performing an illegal move prior to Kovalev grappling with Ward's head. You can deny it all you like but it doesn't make it untrue.

The reason why an ACTUAL damage from the headbutt didn't occur was because Sergey Kovalev neutralized Ward's head attacks. However, it's undeniable that Andre Ward was LEADING with his head and not his fists when making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body which is undoubtedly illegal.

I could care less about any other fight you post, irrespective of how 'great' those fights are. If cheating is performed, I'll call it as I see it. That doesn't prove that Andre Ward wasn't cheating against Sergey Kovalev, nor does it prove that those particular moves are illegal. Just because others didn't 'complain' doesn't mean an illegal move isn't an illegal move. A ridiculous logical fallacy.



Ad hominem / personal attack. There's ABSOLUTELY nothing for me to be embarassed by anyway.



Another Ad Hominem attack. You're incapability to argue with reason and logic is what stinks. The fact that you have to resort to personal / Ad Hominem attacks is evidence enough.



Yes, I have. Merely claiming 'it's not illegal' doesn't make it legal.

1) When attacking, making initial contact upon an opponent's body using the head or any other part of the body except the fist is illegal. Andre Ward made initial contact upon Sergey Kovalev's body with his head. Therefore, Andre Ward cheated.

2) Bending below the waistline is illegal. Andre Ward was bending below the waistline. Therefore, Andre Ward cheated.

So either you can deny that those two things happened. Or you can accept it. It's up to you! Reality will remain as it is though.

Big difference between this:

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And this:

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This is very simple. If you think that Ward is fouling in that gif, show what you are talking about.

Go find an example of a ref warning a fighter in a professional fight for ducking the way Ward does. Do you accept or not? Let's compare it to what Ward does.


Matter of fact, can you also find anyone being warned for head-butting an opponent's body. I'd love to see that because I would love to see what a headbutt to the body looks like, since that gif certainly doesn't show that!


By the way, I don't see any body head butting in that gif or anywhere else. Because it doesn't exist.


If Kovalev has such a problem with Ward ducking, then why does he push his head even lower? And as you can see, no "body head-butt."




And what is your excuse for the other 3 gifs that Barrett presented? Did he duck too low? Was there a "body head butt"?


Be real with yourself. You are just making up excuses! You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

[Chuckguy]

seriously.....he could utilize his uppercuts and body shots off of his jab more


he could also vary is jab a bit more...speed...velocity and to the body and head


he has to back dre up!!


seems like and his team dont have many ideas besides a ko win which is very likely..he couldnt ko chilemba or a 50 year old Hopkins so knocking out ward seems a bit far fetched

A Ward fan complaining and giving another boxer a nickname regarding clinching and holding! Lmfao oh the irony: fawking dumbazz too priceless

[travestyny]

I could care less about any other fight you post, irrespective of how 'great' those fights are. If cheating is performed, I'll call it as I see it.

Oh, I'm sorry. I just saw you don't want to talk about other fights. Fair enough.

Tell me...who is cheating in the other gifs that Barrett posted. Do you see ducking below the waistline or "body head-butts." Let me know, bro. Let's see how honest you can be.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Big difference between this:

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And this:

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This is very simple. If you think that Ward is fouling in that gif, show what you are talking about.

Go find an example of a ref warning a fighter in a professional fight for ducking the way Ward does. Do you accept or not? Let's compare it to what Ward does.


Matter of fact, can you also find anyone being warned for head-butting an opponent's body. I'd love to see that because I would love to see what a headbutt to the body looks like, since that gif certainly doesn't show that!


By the way, I don't see any body head butting in that gif or anywhere else. Because it doesn't exist.


If Kovalev has such a problem with Ward ducking, then why does he push his head even lower? And as you can see, no "body head-butt."




And what is your excuse for the other 3 gifs that Barrett presented? Did he duck too low? Was there a "body head butt"?


Be real with yourself. You are just making up excuses! You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

This is very simple. If you think that Ward is fouling in that gif, show what you are talking about.

What do you mean 'show what I'm talking about'? I already posted a gif and explained the fouls performed by both boxers. I don't need to 'show' anything else at this point. Either you accept the REALITY or ignore it, ain't my problem!

Go find an example of a ref warning a fighter in a professional fight for ducking the way Ward does.

If it's ILLEGAL according to the official rules of boxing (which it is), then it's ILLEGAL. That some referees (especially in USA) allow certain illegal moves doesn't make it any more legal or acceptable. Poor refereeing is poor refereeing. This is the reason why boxers from Europe very rarely duck below the waist, because they know it's not allowed and the rules in Europe are far more strictly enforced.

Matter of fact, can you also find anyone being warned for head-butting an opponent's body.

My response here is the same as my response to your prior point. It's illegal for a boxer to make initial contact of his body with his opponent's body with any other area of his body except his fists first.

I'd love to see that because I would love to see what a headbutt to the body looks like, since that gif certainly doesn't show that!

We can go back and forth but yes, that gif CLEARLY does or are you simply going to deny that Andre Ward's head and not his fist makes initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body? It doesn't even have to be a damaging headbutt for it to be illegal. Just the fact that Andre Ward is making contact with his head first and not his fist alone is illegal. The reason why Andre Ward couldn't headbutt Sergey Kovalev to the head was because Sergey Kovalev was the one that prevented it from occurring by pushing Andre Ward's head down. Hence, despite Andre Ward's head coming upwards and was on the verge of making contact with Sergey Kovalev's face / head, Kovalev prevented it from reaching his face by pushing it down.

You're in denial if you are going to refuse to accept that Andre Ward wasn't doing something illegal in that gif.

By the way, I don't see any body head butting in that gif or anywhere else. Because it doesn't exist.

Again, we can go back and forth with this but I clearly see it and it exists. You might need to get your 'seeing' problems repaired because that's probably what's causing it for you.

If Kovalev has such a problem with Ward ducking, then why does he push his head even lower?

Because by pushing Ward's head, Kovalev gains control over Ward's head and if Kovalev has control over Ward's head, Ward couldn't damage / harm him with any head attacks. On the other hand, if Ward is coming down and up like that with his head free, then there's a huge risk of damage occurring from head attacks. Such a thing has already happened before in Andre Ward's past fights like against Mikkel Kessler. Sergey Kovalev simply took proactive measures to prevent such a thing from happening again.

And as you can see, no "body head-butt."

As you can see, there is a headbutt.

who is cheating in the other gifs that Barrett posted. Do you see ducking below the waistline or "body head-butts."

Even in those other gifs, Andre Ward's head is mostly making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body instead of his fists = illegal!

Let me know, bro

You have no idea whether I'm a male or a female so don't assume my gender by calling me 'bro'.

Let's see how honest you can be.

Well let's see how honest you can be then.

Are you going to claim Andre Ward's head isn't the first area of his body to make initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body in most of those gifs?

Are you going to claim that a boxer making initial contact with any other area of their own body except their fist upon the opponent's body is legal and isn't illegal?

If your answer is yes to either question, then it's you who is 'excusing' a clear foul as something that is legal. In which case, there's not much point further discussing this as you're in denial of reality.

Be real with yourself.

Follow your own advice!

You are just making up excuses!

What excuses? If anything, that's what you're doing. You're excusing clear fouls that Andre Ward was committing whilst I called it as it was, which was both Ward and Kovalev were fouling but Ward committed his fouls first.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Yes, I know it and everyone else that is objective and competent enough SHOULD also know that it was Andre Ward who initiated the fouling and cheating in the bout between Sergey Kovalev and Andre Ward.

[travestyny]

What do you mean 'show what I'm talking about'? I already posted a gif and explained the fouls performed by both boxers. I don't need to 'show' anything else at this point. Either you accept the REALITY or ignore it, ain't my problem!



If it's ILLEGAL according to the official rules of boxing (which it is), then it's ILLEGAL. That some referees (especially in USA) allow certain illegal moves doesn't make it any more legal or acceptable. Poor refereeing is poor refereeing. This is the reason why boxers from Europe very rarely duck below the waist, because they know it's not allowed and the rules in Europe are far more strictly enforced.



My response here is the same as my response to your prior point. It's illegal for a boxer to make initial contact of his body with his opponent's body with any other area of his body except his fists first.



We can go back and forth but yes, that gif CLEARLY does or are you simply going to deny that Andre Ward's head and not his fist makes initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body? It doesn't even have to be a damaging headbutt for it to be illegal. Just the fact that Andre Ward is making contact with his head first and not his fist alone is illegal. The reason why Andre Ward couldn't headbutt Sergey Kovalev to the head was because Sergey Kovalev was the one that prevented it from occurring by pushing Andre Ward's head down. Hence, despite Andre Ward's head coming upwards and was on the verge of making contact with Sergey Kovalev's face / head, Kovalev prevented it from reaching his face by pushing it down.

You're in denial if you are going to refuse to accept that Andre Ward wasn't doing something illegal in that gif.



Again, we can go back and forth with this but I clearly see it and it exists. You might need to get your 'seeing' problems repaired because that's probably what's causing it for you.




Because by pushing Ward's head, Kovalev gains control over Ward's head and if Kovalev has control over Ward's head, Ward couldn't damage / harm him with any head attacks. On the other hand, if Ward is coming down and up like that with his head free, then there's a huge risk of damage occurring from head attacks. Such a thing has already happened before in Andre Ward's past fights like against Mikkel Kessler. Sergey Kovalev simply took proactive measures to prevent such a thing from happening again.



As you can see, there is a headbutt.



Even in those other gifs, Andre Ward's head is mostly making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body instead of his fists = illegal!



You have no idea whether I'm a male or a female so don't assume my gender by calling me 'bro'.



Well let's see how honest you can be then.

Are you going to claim Andre Ward's head isn't the first area of his body to make initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body in most of those gifs?

Are you going to claim that a boxer making initial contact with any other area of their own body except their fist upon the opponent's body is legal and isn't illegal?

If your answer is yes to either question, then it's you who is 'excusing' a clear foul as something that is legal. In which case, there's not much point further discussing this as you're in denial of reality.



Follow your own advice!



What excuses? If anything, that's what you're doing. You're excusing clear fouls that Andre Ward was committing whilst I called it as it was, which was both Ward and Kovalev were fouling but Ward committed his fouls first.



Yes, I know it and everyone else that is objective and competent enough SHOULD also know that it was Andre Ward who initiated the fouling and cheating in the bout between Sergey Kovalev and Andre Ward.

LMAO. You are beyond delusional. First of all there are NO BODY HEAD BUTTS. The problem is that you are desperate. Did Kovalev ever complain that Ward was head butting his body? I mean seriously. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Second, the only thing you are basically saying is that Kovalev is a bltch. I'd love to know what you believe his thought process was. "Ward is bending below the waist so I'll retaliate by pushing his head down." "Ward is head butting my body." Its ridiculous. Didn't Kovalev say he would kick Ward and do Kung-Fu if Ward did anything dirty? Claimed he was serious about that too.

Furthermore, how the hell are you gonna argue that Kovalev fouled because Ward fouled. Would make sense maybe if there was an actual foul committed against him, not your imaginary body head butts. In your head his clinching had nothing to do with Kovalev not being able to fight on the inside, huh? That's the dumbest excuse ever. Seriously.

You actually believe Ward was head butting Kovalev's body! In all of my years at this site, that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen a poster say.

Of course you don't want to talk about any other fight. Ward and Gatti. THEY FOUGHT ON THE INSIDE. NO RETALIATION FOR DUCKING BELOW THE WAIST OR HEADS BRUSHING UP AGAINST THEM. NOT WRESTLING AND HEAD LOCKING. YOU CALL YOURSELF A BOXING FAN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KOVALEV RETALIATING FOR BASICALLY NOTHING. SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT IS I SHOULDN'T CALL YOU BRO. IF YOU'RE NOT A GIRL YOU DEFINITELY HAVE FEMALE TENDENCIES.

[Mr Objecitivity]

LMAO. You are beyond delusional. First of all there are NO BODY HEAD BUTTS. The problem is that you are desperate. Did Kovalev ever complain that Ward was head butting his body? I mean seriously. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Second, the only thing you are basically saying is that Kovalev is a bltch. I'd love to know what you believe his thought process was. "Ward is bending below the waist so I'll retaliate by pushing his head down." "Ward is head butting my body." Its ridiculous. Didn't Kovalev say he would kick Ward and do Kung-Fu if Ward did anything dirty? Claimed he was serious about that too.

Furthermore, how the hell are you gonna argue that Kovalev fouled because Ward fouled. In your head it had nothing to do with Kovalev not being able to fight on the inside, huh? That's the dumbest excuse ever. Seriously.

You actually believe Ward was head butting Kovalev's body! In all of my years at this site, that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen a poster say.

Of course you don't want to talk about any other fight. Ward and Gatti. THEY FOUGHT ON THE INSIDE. NO RETALIATION FOR DUCKING BELOW THE WAIST OR HEADS BRUSHING UP AGAINST THEM. NOT WRESTLING AND HEAD LOCKING. YOU CALL YOURSELF A BOXING FAN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KOVALEV RETALIATING FOR BASICALLY NOTHING. SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT IS I SHOULDN'T CALL YOU BRO. IF YOU'RE NOT A GIRL YOU DEFINITELY HAVE FEMALE TENDENCIES.

You are beyond delusional.

That's what you are if you're denying that Andre Ward didn't make initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body when attacking in that gif I posted.

On the other hand, there's absolutely no facts that I'm denying.

First of all there are NO BODY HEAD BUTTS.

Yes, there are! So making initial contact with the head upon the opponent's chest isn't a 'headbutt'? Is that what you're stating / implying. If anything, that makes you DELUSIONAL and DESPERATE!

The problem is that you are desperate.

The above point makes you appear DESPERATE!

Did Kovalev ever complain that Ward was head butting his body?

Actually, yes he did. Before the fight when he was wrapping up his hand wraps in the locker room, team Kovalev already warned the referee to watch out and accordingly deal with head butts / attacks from Andre Ward. However, the referee didn't deal with it during the fight. So Kovalev simply took matters onto his own hands. At that point, there isn't any point in further complaining to the referee as the referee is unlikely to do anything about it if he already hasn't when he was INITIALLY told.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Likewise, it 'ridiculous' that somebody will deny a clear headbutt performed by Andre Ward when it's totally evident.

Second, the only thing you are basically saying is that Kovalev is a bltch. I'd love to know what you believe his thought process was. "Ward is bending below the waist so I'll retaliate by pushing his head down." "Ward is head butting my body." Its ridiculous. Didn't Kovalev say he would kick Ward and do Kung-Fu if Ward did anything dirty? Claimed he was serious about that too

Again, a red herring logical fallacy. This has no relevance / bearing upon whether Andre Ward initiated any fouls or not. Perhaps try not to drift away from the topic at hand, which is whether Andre Ward initiated fouls / illegal moves or not.

Furthermore, how the hell are you gonna argue that Kovalev fouled because Ward fouled.

For two reasons:

1) To stop / counteract Andre Ward from fouling.

2) To prevent Andre Ward from getting any unfair advantage. This is, if Andre Ward is allowed to use an illegal move, then so should Sergey Kovalev to even the playing fields.

In your head it had nothing to do with Kovalev not being able to fight on the inside, huh?

Actually, Sergey Kovalev can 'BOX' on the inside and can 'PUNCH' on the inside which are independent of using elbows, grappling, headbutts and etc.

It's Andre Ward whose actual boxing skills on the inside aren't quite so good. I'm referring to punches on the inside. Grappling and non-boxing moves don't count as good 'inside boxing'.

You actually believe Ward was head butting Kovalev's body!

I KNOW that Ward was headbutting Sergey Kovalev.

In all of my years at this site, that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen a poster say.

The facts are CLEARLY evident in the evidence I posted. So the only individual who is appearing / going to appear 'dumb' is the individual who is denying CLEAR facts and reality, which is you.

Of course you don't want to talk about any other fight.

Unless they are relevant to this particular discussion, then no!

YOU CALL YOURSELF A BOXING FAN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KOVALEV RETALIATING FOR BASICALLY NOTHING.

Sergey Kovalev, NEVER, I repeat NEVER had to consistently use the illegal moves he used against Andre Ward against any prior opponent. Do you want to know why? I'll give you a hint, which is because none of those other boxers that Sergey Kovalev has fought have a consistent history in cheating and using illegal moves in the way Andre Ward does.

So no, Kovalev wasn't retaliating for 'nothing'. Kovalev was retaliating to Andre Ward's illegal moves and fouls that he committed. The fact that Sergey Kovalev was retaliating to Andre Ward like that meant that there had to be a reason because Sergey Kovalev never consistently does the things in other fights that he did against Ward.

IF YOU'RE NOT A GIRL YOU DEFINITELY HAVE FEMALE TENDENCIES.

I could be an alien for all you know. Or I could be a robot, or an artificial intelligent system. So what? Who cares? Stick to the topic.

[Robbie Barrett]

LMAO. You are beyond delusional. First of all there are NO BODY HEAD BUTTS. The problem is that you are desperate. Did Kovalev ever complain that Ward was head butting his body? I mean seriously. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Second, the only thing you are basically saying is that Kovalev is a bltch. I'd love to know what you believe his thought process was. "Ward is bending below the waist so I'll retaliate by pushing his head down." "Ward is head butting my body." Its ridiculous. Didn't Kovalev say he would kick Ward and do Kung-Fu if Ward did anything dirty? Claimed he was serious about that too.

Furthermore, how the hell are you gonna argue that Kovalev fouled because Ward fouled. Would make sense maybe if there was an actual foul committed against him, not your imaginary body head butts. In your head his clinching had nothing to do with Kovalev not being able to fight on the inside, huh? That's the dumbest excuse ever. Seriously.

You actually believe Ward was head butting Kovalev's body! In all of my years at this site, that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen a poster say.

Of course you don't want to talk about any other fight. Ward and Gatti. THEY FOUGHT ON THE INSIDE. NO RETALIATION FOR DUCKING BELOW THE WAIST OR HEADS BRUSHING UP AGAINST THEM. NOT WRESTLING AND HEAD LOCKING. YOU CALL YOURSELF A BOXING FAN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KOVALEV RETALIATING FOR BASICALLY NOTHING. SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT IS I SHOULDN'T CALL YOU BRO. IF YOU'RE NOT A GIRL YOU DEFINITELY HAVE FEMALE TENDENCIES.

The guy is a moron. He thinks any contact with the head and opponents body is an headbutt.

Ward was headbutting Kovalevs fist by his logic.

[travestyny]

That's what you are if you're denying that Andre Ward didn't make initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body when attacking in that gif I posted.

On the other hand, there's absolutely no facts that I'm denying.



Yes, there are! So making initial contact with the head upon the opponent's chest isn't a 'headbutt'? Is that what you're stating / implying. If anything, that makes you DELUSIONAL and DESPERATE!



The above point makes you appear DESPERATE!



Actually, yes he did. Before the fight when he was wrapping up his hand wraps in the locker room, team Kovalev already warned the referee to watch out and accordingly deal with head butts / attacks from Andre Ward. However, the referee didn't deal with it during the fight. So Kovalev simply took matters onto his own hands. At that point, there isn't any point in further complaining to the referee as the referee is unlikely to do anything about it if he already hasn't when he was INITIALLY told.



Likewise, it 'ridiculous' that somebody will deny a clear headbutt performed by Andre Ward when it's totally evident.



Again, a red herring logical fallacy. This has no relevance / bearing upon whether Andre Ward initiated any fouls or not. Perhaps try not to drift away from the topic at hand, which is whether Andre Ward initiated fouls / illegal moves or not.



For two reasons:

1) To stop / counteract Andre Ward from fouling.

2) To prevent Andre Ward from getting any unfair advantage. This is, if Andre Ward is allowed to use an illegal move, then so should Sergey Kovalev to even the playing fields.



Actually, Sergey Kovalev can 'BOX' on the inside and can 'PUNCH' on the inside which are independent of using elbows, grappling, headbutts and etc.

It's Andre Ward whose actual boxing skills on the inside aren't quite so good. I'm referring to punches on the inside. Grappling and non-boxing moves don't count as good 'inside boxing'.



I KNOW that Ward was headbutting Sergey Kovalev.



The facts are CLEARLY evident in the evidence I posted. So the only individual who is appearing / going to appear 'dumb' is the individual who is denying CLEAR facts and reality, which is you.



Unless they are relevant to this particular discussion, then no!



Sergey Kovalev, NEVER, I repeat NEVER had to consistently use the illegal moves he used against Andre Ward against any prior opponent. Do you want to know why? I'll give you a hint, which is because none of those other boxers that Sergey Kovalev has fought have a consistent history in cheating and using illegal moves in the way Andre Ward does.

So no, Kovalev wasn't retaliating for 'nothing'. Kovalev was retaliating to Andre Ward's illegal moves and fouls that he committed. The fact that Sergey Kovalev was retaliating to Andre Ward like that meant that there had to be a reason because Sergey Kovalev never consistently does the things in other fights that he did against Ward.



I could be an alien for all you know. Or I could be a robot, or an artificial intelligent system. So what? Who cares? Stick to the topic.

Go find the video of the fight and show in the moment of those gifs exactly where this so called "head butting of the body" occurred. I really want to pinpoint the exact moment when you say Ward headbutted his ribcage, stomach, or chest. Please show us!

You think Kovalev was worried about head-butts to his body? Is that what you are saying? LMAO. Keep talking. You're just making yourself appear either more ****** or more desperate.

[travestyny]

This is the reason why boxers from Europe very rarely duck below the waist, because they know it's not allowed and the rules in Europe are far more strictly enforced.

Russia's pretty damn big. Part in Europe, part in Asia. But um....since Kovalev is Russian, how about him:



GREATEST RUSSIAN BOXER: KOSTA TSZYU

Round 1...less than 30 seconds going by...


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I guess he picked that up in Australia, huh?

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[Mr Objecitivity]

Go find the video of the fight and show in the moment of those gifs exactly where this so called "head butting of the body" occurred. I really want to pinpoint the exact moment when you say Ward headbutted his ribcage, stomach, or chest. Please show us!

You think Kovalev was worried about head-butts to his body? Is that what you are saying? LMAO. Keep talking. You're just making yourself appear either more ****** or more desperate.

Go find the video of the fight and show in the moment of those gifs exactly where this so called "head butting of the body" occurred. I really want to pinpoint the exact moment when you say Ward headbutted his ribcage, stomach, or chest. Please show us!

Spare me the bother! If you're not going to first accept that Andre Ward was leading with his head and not his fists when attacking Sergey Kovalev in that gif I posted (which is illegal), then I see no logical reason why I have to post anything else. In other words, there's no point going to step 2 if step 1 is still yet to be established.

You think Kovalev was worried about head-butts to his body?

Another red herring logical fallacy you've just used right there. Whether Kovalev was 'worried' is totally irrelevant to whether Andre Ward was initiating fouls / illegal moves or not.

Furthermore, Sergey Kovalev was indeed worried about Ward headbutting him. I've already stated this many times and I'll state it again. The reason why Andre Ward's headbutt stopped at body / chest level was because Sergey Kovalev prevented it from going any further upwards to his face / head. That's exactly where Andre Ward's head was heading before Sergey Kovalev controlled and pushed Ward's head down.

So yes, Sergey Kovalev was worried about getting hit by Andre Ward's headbutt but all of that is irrelevant anyway to the main point because whether Sergey Kovalev was worried or not is irrelevant when evaluating whether Andre Ward was initiating any fouls / illegal moves or not.

You're just making yourself appear either more ****** or more desperate.

The only individual appearing '******' or 'desperate' here is the one who is consistently resorting to using Ad Hominem attacks and using Red Herring logical fallacies. Which is you!