Will Sergey "The Klutcher" Holdalev do more than a head lock to stop inside fighting

[travestyny]

If you're claiming that Sergey Kovalev should justifiably be called 'Holdalev' because of one fight where he held due to his opponent cheating first,

Can you find in the rulebooks where bending down and advancing forward is illegal?

You agree that headlocks and excessive clinching is illegal, right? I don't think anyone doubts that.

We also agree headbutting is illegal, right? No one doubts that.


Now tell us what Ward DID that was illegal. Not what you thought he might do. Back up your claim that he cheated first.

Is bending and moving close illegal? This should be an easy question for the fans who seem to be stating that it is illegal.

[j0zef]

I find it ironic that you try to market yourself as someone who liked both fighters, yet here you are being the same brainless 12 year old twit insulting Kovalev with bull**** allegations. Same old pug.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Can you find in the rulebooks where bending down and advancing forward is illegal?

You agree that headlocks and excessive clinching is illegal, right? I don't think anyone doubts that.

We also agree headbutting is illegal, right? No one doubts that.


Now tell us what Ward DID that was illegal. Not what you thought he might do. Back up your claim that he cheated first.

Is bending and moving close illegal? This should be an easy question for the fans who seem to be stating that it is illegal.

1) Andre Ward was bending below the waist = an illegal move!

2) Andre Ward was making initial contact with his head upon his opponent's body = an illegal move!

These are two 'initial' illegal moves which Andre Ward performed first, before Sergey Kovalev retaliated with an illegal move of his own, which in this case was controlling the opponent's head.

[travestyny]

1) Andre Ward was bending below the waist = an illegal move!

2) Andre Ward was making initial contact with his head upon his opponent's body = an illegal move!

These are two 'initial' illegal moves which Andre Ward performed first, before Sergey Kovalev retaliated with an illegal move of his own, which in this case was controlling the opponent's head.

Really. I didn't see that. Maybe you should show some gifs so we can see what you are talking about. Can you find some? Maybe then we will agree with you.

[travestyny]

1) Andre Ward was bending below the waist = an illegal move!

2) Andre Ward was making initial contact with his head upon his opponent's body = an illegal move!

These are two 'initial' illegal moves which Andre Ward performed first, before Sergey Kovalev retaliated with an illegal move of his own, which in this case was controlling the opponent's head.

I'm trying to help you out.

NAC 467.675  Acts constituting fouls in boxing. (NRS 467.030)  The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:
1.  Hitting below the belt.
2.  Hitting an opponent who is down or is getting up after being down.
3.  Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
4.  Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch.
5.  Wrestling or kicking.
6.  If the referee has signaled that the opponent has been knocked out, striking an opponent who is helpless as a result of previous blows and so supported by the ropes that he or she does not fall.
7.  Butting with the head or shoulder or using the knee.
8.  Hitting with the open glove, the butt of the hand, the wrist or the elbow, and all backhand blows.
9.  Purposely going down without being hit.
10.  Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.
11.  Deliberately using the rabbit punch.
12.  Jabbing the opponent’s eyes with the thumb of the glove.
13.  Using abusive language in the ring.
14.  Engaging in any unsportsmanlike trick or action which causes injury to an opponent.
15.  Hitting on the break.
16.  Hitting after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
17.  Hitting an opponent whose head is between and outside of the ropes.
18.  Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes.

Couldn't find anything about bending below the waist, but I didn't see Ward do that in the first place. I do see something about head butting. You're saying that he purposely was butting...Kovalev's body...? Not sure why anyone would butt someone's body, but it's interesting. When you come across the examples, let me know? Not being a ****, but I honestly didn't see any of that.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Really. I didn't see that. Maybe you should show some gifs so we can see what you are talking about. Can you find some? Maybe then we will agree with you.

Really.

Yes, all three fouls performed were 'real'!

I didn't see that.

Assuming you've seen the fight, then it's not my problem. Your inability to 'see' something in your vision is your problem and not mine.

Maybe you should show some gifs so we can see what you are talking about.

This very gif substantiates my claims.

[travestyny]

Yes, all three fouls performed were 'real'!



Assuming you've seen the fight, then it's not my problem. Your inability to 'see' something in your vision is your problem and not mine.





This very gif substantiates my claims.

Oh really? You saw Ward foul in that gif? What foul did he commit? By the way, I'm still looking for your bending below the waist foul in Nevada's rulebook. Can you locate it? Thanks.

I do see some Kovalev fouls, but don't know which foul best suits what he's doing. Is it wrestling? Holding with one hand and hitting with the other? Surely one of those.

[therealpugilist]

I find it ironic that you try to market yourself as someone who liked both fighters, yet here you are being the same brainless 12 year old twit insulting Kovalev with bull**** allegations. Same old pug.

i did it to catch guys like you, making excuses, attention

it worked...you fell for it...i like tarver..i call him milk dud....i also like Black Colossus/Joshua.....I like calzaghe, called him calslappie for years


I respect Kov, he is a great fighter and i have watched every fight live since his hbo debut

you guys are wrapped a lil too tight and emotional over a fight you arent involved in

[Mr Objecitivity]

I'm trying to help you out.




Couldn't find anything about bending below the waist, but I didn't see Ward do that in the first place. I do see something about head butting. You're saying that he purposely was butting...Kovalev's body...? Not sure why anyone would butt someone's body, but it's interesting. When you come across the examples, let me know? Not being a ****, but I honestly didn't see any of that.

Couldn't find anything about bending below the waist

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

See point 6.

but I didn't see Ward do that in the first place.

Well I clearly did.

You're saying that he purposely was butting...Kovalev's body...?

Ward intentionally made initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body, which is illegal!

Not sure why anyone would butt someone's body, but it's interesting.

That's a red herring fallacy you've just used there. Why someone would perform an illegal move is irrelevant. What is relevant is IF a boxer was performing an illegal move, which Andre Ward CLEARLY did, irrespective of why he did it.

When you come across the examples, let me know?

What examples? I already posted one gif that substantiates my claims.

but I honestly didn't see any of that.

What exactly did you not see? If you didn't see that:

1) Andre Ward was bending below the waist (which is an illegal move).

2) Andre Ward made initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body (which is an illegal move).

3) Sergey Kovalev THEN controlled Andre Ward's head (which is an illegal move).

Then you have 'seeing' problems.

Oh really? You saw Ward foul in that gif? What foul did he commit? By the way, I'm still looking for your bending below the waist foul in Nevada's rulebook. Can you locate it? Thanks.

You're just repeating the points that I've already addressed.

I do see some Kovalev fouls, but don't know which foul best suits what he's doing. Is it wrestling? Holding with one hand and hitting with the other? Surely one of those.

Again, you're just repeating the points that I've already previously addressed. Sergey Kovalev did 'foul', but after Andre Ward fouled first. All of those fouls you've mentioned that Sergey Kovalev performed falls under the category of 'head control' or 'grappling'.

[therealpugilist]

Yet another one of your Dre can't lose threads. Do you think the more pro Dre threads you start the more likely he is to win? Who can blame Kovalev for using a headlock to avoid getting headbutted by boxing's best headbutter. What you call infighting is actually Dre's illegal holding and hitting. The only way Dre can land a punch on Kovalev is to hold him still with one hand and hit him with the other hand. Kovalev dropped Dre for a count and hurt him early in the first fight so Kovalev knocking Dre out in the rematch isn't unlikely at all. It's the best way to avoid getting cheated by the judges again. I am sure you will start a lot more Dre can't possibly lose type threads before the actual fight. If Dre was such a sure thing to win he would be a 10 to 1 betting favorite and not the slight 7 to 5 betting favorite he is. Kovalev has a good chance to win. How would you deal with your beloved Dre getting KOed? I would love to find out.

beloved? i dont even know the man

didnt you idiots say the same the first time, he'd pull out fake injuries, avoid rematch....tired of taking L's yet?