Will Sergey "The Klutcher" Holdalev do more than a head lock to stop inside fighting

[uppercut510]

no matter what; these clowns will find a way to justify kov and condemn ward.

[travestyny]

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

See point 6.



Well I clearly did.



Ward intentionally made initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body, which is illegal!



That's a red herring fallacy you've just used there. Why someone would perform an illegal move is irrelevant. What is relevant is IF a boxer was performing an illegal move, which Andre Ward CLEARLY did, irrespective of why he did it.



What examples? I already posted one gif that substantiates my claims.



What exactly did you not see? If you didn't see that:

1) Andre Ward was bending below the waist (which is an illegal move).

2) Andre Ward made initial contact with his head upon Sergey Kovalev's body (which is an illegal move).

3) Sergey Kovalev THEN controlled Andre Ward's head (which is an illegal move).

Then you have 'seeing' problems.



You're just repeating the points that I've already addressed.



Again, you're just repeating the points that I've already previously addressed. Sergey Kovalev did 'foul', but after Andre Ward fouled first. All of those fouls you've mentioned that Sergey Kovalev performed falls under the category of 'head control' or 'grappling'.

Wait a second. So you can't find the foul you're looking for in the official rule book of the commission that governed the fight...so you go to boxrec to find it? How does that make any sense? Last I checked, Boxrec wasn't governing this fight, was it? That means you're wrong.


And where do you see Ward head-butting Kovalev's body? What the actual **** are you talking about? Stop embarrassing yourself. Your desperation stinks. The fact of the matter is you've shown nothing illegal in that gif you posted or otherwise.


WHO THE **** HEADBUTTS SOMEONE'S BODY? Now he's E.Honda??? THIS HAS TO BE THE DUMBEST MOST DESPERATE CONTENTION I'VE SEEN FROM WARD DETRACTORS.

[madsweeney]

I'm trying to help you out.




Couldn't find anything about bending below the waist, but I didn't see Ward do that in the first place. I do see something about head butting. You're saying that he purposely was butting...Kovalev's body...? Not sure why anyone would butt someone's body, but it's interesting. When you come across the examples, let me know? Not being a ****, but I honestly didn't see any of that.

Helps if you list the entire section instead of cutting it off halfway

Sec. 108. NAC 467.675 is hereby amended to read as follows:
467.675 The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:
1. Hitting an opponent below the [belt.] navel or behind the ear.
2. Hitting an opponent who is knocked down or taking a knee, or is getting up after being
knocked down [.] or taking a knee.
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch.
5. Wrestling , [or] kicking [.] or roughing.
6. If the referee has signaled that the opponent has been knocked out, striking an opponent
who is helpless as a result of previous blows and so supported by the ropes that he or she does
not fall.
7. Butting with the head , [or] shoulder , [or using the] knee [.] or elbow.
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt , inside or back of the hand, or the wrist or the
elbow . [, and all backhand blows.]
9. Purposely going down onto the canvas of the ring without being hit [.] or for the
purpose of avoiding a blow.
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.
11. [Deliberately using the] Using the pivot blow or otherwise striking an opponent while
completing a turn or pivot.
12. Using a rabbit punch [.
12.] or otherwise striking an opponent on the back of the head, the base of the skull or the
back of the neck.
13. Jabbing the opponent’s eyes with the thumb of the glove.
--82--
Adopted Regulation R062-16
[13.] 14. Using abusive language in the ring.
[14.] 15. Engaging in any unsportsmanlike [trick or action] conduct which causes injury to
an opponent.
[15.] 16. Hitting on the break.
[16.] 17. Hitting after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
[17.] 18. Hitting an opponent whose head is between and outside of the ropes.
[18.] 19. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes.
20. Intentionally spitting out the mouthpiece.
21. Holding the ropes while hitting an opponent.
22. Biting or spitting at an opponent or the referee.
23. Failing to follow the instructions of the referee.
24. Stepping on an opponent.
25. Crouching below an opponent’s belt.
26. Leaving a neutral corner.
27. Interference by the corner.
28. Hair pulling.
29. Groin attacks of any kind.
30. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, faking an
injury or intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
32. Applying any foreign substance to the hair, body, clothing or gloves immediately
before or during a contest or exhibition that could result in an unfair advantage.

[travestyny]

Helps if you list the entire section instead of cutting it off halfway

Not sure what you're looking at. I'm looking here on their website:

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html

---edit----
I do see the rules were amended on their website. You are right. Now is Ward "crouching" below the waistline? I'm not sure that ducking and having your head go temporarily below the waist is the same as crouching below the waist. Are they referring to this:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%2010.07.23%20AM.png[/IMG]

In any event....
-----------

Are you going to show me where Andre Ward was head Butting Kovalev's body? The argument is that Kovalev was fouling to stop Ward from fouling. If the argument is he's fouling him to stop him from bending blow the waist, that makes no sense, especially since he didn't consistently bend below the waist, and Kova is often pushing Ward's head even lower below the waist.

I've been waiting for someone to show us these body head butts. It's a ridiculous argument because it didn't happen. No one has shown any body headbutts, and it also makes zero sense.

[RussB23]

If Dre wants to engage in greco roman kovalev will simply beat him to it lol. I think he will throw more body shots though watch his training clips and listen to JDJ they seem to be working on body shots.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Helps if you list the entire section instead of cutting it off halfway

Thank you! That user is either being deliberately dishonest or is TRULY ignorant.

[travestyny]

Thank you! That user is either being deliberately dishonest or is TRULY ignorant.

Dude. You're being dishonest and just looking for excuses!!!

Let's just put to bed this whole Ward was cheating thing. Bending below the waist and "head-butting" the body? It's ridiculous.


Did any of us complain about this:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%2010.25.00%20AM.png[/IMG]

or this:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%2010.26.07%20AM.png[/IMG]

or this:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%2010.26.50%20AM.png[/IMG]


I highly doubt it. Because what we got was arguably the greatest boxing match in history.

This is what happens when two fighters aren't afraid of inside fighting. Not a plethora of headlocks or wrestling. What we get is a classic! I dare those of you complaining about Ward to step up and say this was a foul filled fight that is worthy of criticism. Enjoy!

[jmrf4435]

Justice will prevail and koavelv will win by KO

[j0zef]

i did it to catch guys like you, making excuses, attention

it worked...you fell for it...i like tarver..i call him milk dud....i also like Black Colossus/Joshua.....I like calzaghe, called him calslappie for years


I respect Kov, he is a great fighter and i have watched every fight live since his hbo debut

you guys are wrapped a lil too tight and emotional over a fight you arent involved in

you didn't catch anyone in anything , except confirm yourself as a ward coksucker. I seriously don't understand why it's so hard to like a fighter without being a complete imbecile like you.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Wait a second. So you can't find the foul you're looking for in the official rule book of the commission that governed the fight...so you go to boxrec to find it? How does that make any sense? Last I checked, Boxrec wasn't governing this fight, was it? That means you're wrong.


And where do you see Ward head-butting Kovalev's body? What the actual **** are you talking about? Stop embarrassing yourself. Your desperation stinks. The fact of the matter is you've shown nothing illegal in that gif you posted or otherwise.


WHO THE **** HEADBUTTS SOMEONE'S BODY? Now he's E.Honda??? THIS HAS TO BE THE DUMBEST MOST DESPERATE CONTENTION I'VE SEEN FROM WARD DETRACTORS.

So you can't find the foul you're looking for in the official rule book of the commission that governed the fight.

I can, but the other user beat me to it.

so you go to boxrec to find it?

Yes, because certain rules are 'UNIVERSAL'. Meaning, they apply in every fight.

According to the Marquees Queensbury rules, ducking below the waist is indeed illegal.

Exposing one's own back to the opponent is illegal. Exposing one's own back of the head to the opponent is also illegal. Why? Because they then become open targets to attack. As such, if a boxer exposes those areas, then hitting those areas should also be allowed.

And where do you see Ward head-butting Kovalev's body?

In that gif I posted. Ward deliberately made the initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body using his head first, which is just as much illegal as making initial contact with an opponent's body using the knees first, or elbows first, or foot first and etc. when attacking. When attacking, the only area of the body that a boxer is ALLOWED to make initial contact upon the opponent's body is the knuckle part of their gloves. Anything else is ILLEGAL!

If you're going to argue that Andre Ward making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body using his head is legal, then why shouldn't knees or elbows or foot attacks also be allowed?

Simply put, head attacks are illegal in boxing, the same way attacking with any other part of the body is illegal except the fists.



It's blatantly obvious that Andre Ward was performing an illegal move prior to Kovalev grappling with Ward's head. You can deny it all you like but it doesn't make it untrue.

The reason why an ACTUAL damage from the headbutt didn't occur was because Sergey Kovalev neutralized Ward's head attacks. However, it's undeniable that Andre Ward was LEADING with his head and not his fists when making initial contact with Sergey Kovalev's body which is undoubtedly illegal.

I could care less about any other fight you post, irrespective of how 'great' those fights are. If cheating is performed, I'll call it as I see it. That doesn't prove that Andre Ward wasn't cheating against Sergey Kovalev, nor does it prove that those particular moves are illegal. Just because others didn't 'complain' doesn't mean an illegal move isn't an illegal move. A ridiculous logical fallacy.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ad hominem / personal attack. There's ABSOLUTELY nothing for me to be embarassed by anyway.

Your desperation stinks

Another Ad Hominem attack. You're incapability to argue with reason and logic is what stinks. The fact that you have to resort to personal / Ad Hominem attacks is evidence enough.

The fact of the matter is you've shown nothing illegal in that gif you posted or otherwise.

Yes, I have. Merely claiming 'it's not illegal' doesn't make it legal.

1) When attacking, making initial contact upon an opponent's body using the head or any other part of the body except the fist is illegal. Andre Ward made initial contact upon Sergey Kovalev's body with his head. Therefore, Andre Ward cheated.

2) Bending below the waistline is illegal. Andre Ward was bending below the waistline. Therefore, Andre Ward cheated.

So either you can deny that those two things happened. Or you can accept it. It's up to you! Reality will remain as it is though.