Mayweather was right about Virgil Hunter.

[Willy Wanker]

I always hate when a fighter looks like garbage and then fans wanna blame the trainer. Does the trainer get as much credit if the fighter looks good?

Fonfara is done, his best days are over with. Hunter told him in between rounds to only focus on defense and not worry about offense. Fonfara didn't try any offense, but didn't make any attempt at defense either.

[mathed]

Looked like another boxing payoff to me. I mean last time out, Fonfara held his own and even dropped Stevenson. HE knew heading into the rematch that Stevenson is a one trick pony, just the left and nothing else.

Yet, last night, he doesn't even try to block the left. Instead he welcomed the left and stood there as he got tagged with left after left. Not buying it, someone got paid to show up and not try.

[mathed]

I always hate when a fighter looks like garbage and then fans wanna blame the trainer. Does the trainer get as much credit if the fighter looks good?

Fonfara is done, his best days are over with. Hunter told him in between rounds to only focus on defense and not worry about offense. Fonfara didn't try any offense, but didn't make any attempt at defense either.

Hmmm, I'd imagine what you've described here would be EXACTLY what you'd get from a guy who was told to show up, not try, but try to make it look legit.

[SplitSecond]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Give a kid to Hunter or any trainer and allow them to train them from amateur to pro and you'll see different results.

If he needs all that we'd have a completey different fighter, and given the guys natural talent, probably make them worse. Guys have complained about hunter and how he doesn't push physically enough, hunter is too high on himself about the mental aspect, but he doesnt sharpen guys and thus gameplans become pretty much moot.

Roach didnt have pacquiao or khan since the am's but instead got them early when they were raw and developed them into excellent fighter. He got khan at a low and sharpened him, molded him. Hunter just tries to make everyone into a "smart" fighter.

[MDPopescu]

Look. It was a good stoppage. Fonfara was getting done up worse than Said Lawal.


But Fonfara's performance was SO much worse than the first fight, it's got me thinking that TBE was spot on about Hunter being a terrible trainer.

I have no idea what the strategy was tonight, but it was flawed. Stevenson didn't look that much more impressive than he usually does.

... as FMJR was a phenomenon in boxing and AW also is/was... I don't see how FMSR or VH would have been either "excellent" and/or "terrible" trainers...

... tbh!

[Wizardsh]

Only thing I see in this troll thread is a bunch of blacks defending a black trainer, bottom line hunter is a garbage trainer anybody that says otherwise is a grade A moron.

I will say it for y'all "it's because I am black"

[Combat Talk Radio]

I always hate when a fighter looks like garbage and then fans wanna blame the trainer. Does the trainer get as much credit if the fighter looks good?

There's a pattern here bro.

The only two notable Virgil Hunter fighters that hasn't gotten absolutely wrecked now are Andre Ward and Danny Jacobs - and Ward essentially got exposed against Kovalev while Jacobs fought scared against Golovkin.

Quillin - destroyed in one round against Jacobs
Angulo - treated like a punching bag against Canelo
Khan - brutally knocked out against Canelo
Berto - Embarrassed by TBE, blinded and embarrassed against Guerrero
Mares - brutally knocked out by a journeyman


At some point you have to point at the trainer. You have to.

[Combat Talk Radio]

... as FMJR was a phenomenon in boxing and AW also is/was... I don't see how FMSR or VH would have been either "excellent" and/or "terrible" trainers...

... tbh!

I'm already on record earlier in the thread specifically saying Senior was a terrible trainer too. Senior was not responsible for TBE, Uncle Roger was. Go back and watch Floyd's best fights and you'll hear Uncle Roger's classic lines in the corner every time.

Andre Ward is nothing special now. Hasn't been since the Super Six and people need to get over that period of time. Kovalev did to him what Floyd did to Manny - make them look like basic fighters.

The only reason Kov lost on points is that he gasses late. Despite that I still had him winning 7 - 5.

[Willy Wanker]

There's a pattern here bro.

The only two notable Virgil Hunter fighters that hasn't gotten absolutely wrecked now are Andre Ward and Danny Jacobs - and Ward essentially got exposed against Kovalev while Jacobs fought scared against Golovkin.

Quillin - destroyed in one round against Jacobs
Angulo - treated like a punching bag against Canelo
Khan - brutally knocked out against Canelo
Berto - Embarrassed by TBE, blinded and embarrassed against Guerrero
Mares - brutally knocked out by a journeyman


At some point you have to point at the trainer. You have to.

You make a good argument for it with the names you mentioned. Mares stands out the most, he was on his way to becoming a star when Jhonny destroyed him.

I just thought Fonfara was a bad example, can't blame Hunter for him not following advice and looking completely done after the first left hand he took. And Khan and Berto would have more than likely lost those fights with or without Hunter.

[Mooshashi]

True. Hunter was telling Fonfara "don't move your head, don't worry about Stevenson's straight left, come straight in without any movement at all, if you are hurt don't hold just go ahead and throw punches"

Terrible advice.