Mayweather was right about Virgil Hunter.

[Combat Talk Radio]

You make a good argument for it with the names you mentioned. Mares stands out the most, he was on his way to becoming a star when Jhonny destroyed him.

I just thought Fonfara was a bad example, can't blame Hunter for him not following advice and looking completely done after the first left hand he took. And Khan and Berto would have more than likely lost those fights with or without Hunter.

Khan yes, Berto no. I highly doubt that Berto would have tried to emulate Floyd against Guerrero if Hunter weren't pitching defense first. Floyd didn't even go defense heavy against Guerrero, that's telling. Berto should have boxed circles around Ghost.

True. Hunter was telling Fonfara "don't move your head, don't worry about Stevenson's straight left, come straight in without any movement at all, if you are hurt don't hold just go ahead and throw punches"

Terrible advice.

No, I know Hunter wouldn't have said that, but at the same time, what kind of a fighter you are is what you are. A GOOD trainer will enhance those traits and hide the weaknesses of their fighter.

Fonfara is a come forward fighter. Period.

Stevenson's ONLY effective attack is a straight left, either off the counter or through the guard. Period.

As Manny Steward used to say about Hamed and Paulie says now, the most effective way to nullify a left hand is with lateral movement. If you go backwards you will get hit, and it will go through the guard every time. Which is exactly what we saw.

Thus, Hunter should not have been saying "just defend" - that's ineffective advice. AS mentioned before, evading the left should have been the core focus in training and it clearly wasn't. Fonfara wasn't taught how to evade the left and the night of the fight, just told "defend" which is what he tried to do and failed.

AN effective trainer would have prepared the fighter to nullify that left because it's blatantly obvious from tape that's all Stevenson has.

[Luilun]

Mayweather is right you can't have a trainer who has never been in the trenches. Hunter is only considered a top trainer because of Ward. Ward talent is the key not Hunter

[Johnny Steele]

You want to know who's a really good trainer regardless of which 20 something year old fighter comes to him? Robert Garcia. He's the only trainer who i've seen legitimately train dudes and make them better.

Most of you don't even understand how training works.

These two statements contradict each other in comically ironic fashion.

[P.K Dionysus]

Nurses do it in hospitals all the time as do care workers. They are NOT impoverished. I know some females who would absolutely do that for a living given a choice, because it requires literally no education but makes good money without resorting to stripping or being an escort.



He didn't use that word, but that's not Floyd, he doesn't outright slam people, he uses soft words. He did say he's not a good trainer.

Nah, I feel you on that. My aunt is a caregiver. I meant that the person in question's SOLE responsibility was to wipe an old dude's ass after shooting a deuce. Nothing else. No feeding, or bathing, or anything of the sort.

He gets paid to show up, wait for the dude to take ****, wipe the ass, flush the toilet, maybe apply some talc or whatever an old person's crack needs post ****, the remains on standby until the next bowel movement.

[-Kev-]

Fonfara got beat with one arm/punch. Reminded me of Jacobs/Quillin but with one extra round.



Considering that Roger is responsible for the greatest fighter of the generation, he's cemented.

So wait....

A trainer's legacy can be cemented for one great fighter?

So then Hunter's legacy is cemented because he has Andre Ward, who's surely a great fighter and future HOF'er?

[-Kev-]

These two statements contradict each other in comically ironic fashion.

Robert Garcia is the best trainer for young fighters.

And it's very true, most of you don't know how training works.

[tokon]

Ward is just exceptional...

Seems every fighter of his is out getting the dog s ht beaten out of them...

Hunter's rep is pretty much based off of Ward's success.

Roach off Pac?

[Johnny Steele]

Robert Garcia is the best trainer for young fighters.

And it's very true, most of you don't know how training works.

Repeating yourself will will not make you're bumbling incompetence disappear. It only reinforces it.

And not to beat a dead horse but you did just make the very same ironic contradiction in your reply.

[-Kev-]

Repeating yourself will will not make you're bumbling incompetence disappear. It only reinforces it.

And not to beat a dead horse but you did just make the very same ironic contradiction in your reply.

It's not that i'm contradicting myself, you probably just don't understand. First 2 posts of your boxingscene career quoting me, or former troll?

[Johnny Steele]

It's not that i'm contradicting myself, you probably just don't understand. First 2 posts of your boxingscene career quoting me, or former troll?

What a sad and pathetic deflection.