Comments Thread For: Joshua Could Lose IBF Belt Prior To Klitschko II, Pulev Stands Firm

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm not clear on what you mean exactly. What sorta rules are guys not abiding by to not get their fighters ranked or in title fights? You used Top Rank as a example earlier feel free to tell me whats up with the IBF & Top Rank specifically & others if its not too in depth of a thing.

You know as much as I do. These days the IBF are sticklers for their rules. That means that mandatory defenses have to be done in a timely manner, purse splits are clearly defined, etc.

There isn't a lot of wiggle room for promoters to milk the title against soft touches or to do a lot of in-house fights. The other sanctioning bodies are more forgiving and willing to make exceptions.

Interestingly, Arum was found guilty of bribing the IBF back in the '90s. So maybe the reason he doesn't like to participate in their ranking system is because of that. To avoid the appearance of impropriety.

But now some of us suspect he might be bribing the WBO instead so it's not like he has changed.

[KillaCamNZ]

Joshua v Martin was farce as the belt should at that point still been Furys belt. Who knows if Ibf woulda ordered Fury V Joshua. Fury may not have had his break down and stayed healthy for that fight

There's a bit more to it than that. The key driver for the IBF stripping Fury was the rematch clause not being disclosed - the IBF sanctioned the fight on the understanding that their mandatory would be next. Fury wins, the undisclosed rematch clause is revealed, and the IBF have to slide down the order.

The Joshua-Martin fight was definitely a farce. An absolute joke of a fight. But I do see where the IBF was coming from in stripping Fury. I'd take a frustrating IBF over the bent and crooked WBC, WBO and WBA.

[MrRolltide91]

Can't blame AJ for going after Wlad again

[aboutfkntime]

Fury/klitchko wasn't the biggest fight out there the first was dog**** I can't remember many who were looking forward to the rematch. I wanted to see fury go on and fight wilder after.

it was #1 vs #2

I have never seen a more obvious rematch

the questions between #1/#2 were.....
* can Fury do it again?
* was that an aberration for Klitschko?

props to Joshua for fighting Klitschko, but he only got that opportunity because the IBF stripped Fury..... prior to that he had done nothing

[aboutfkntime]

Joshua knew the IBF rules and should already have seen how Tyson Fury was stripped of the the belt due to similar circumstances.

I understand that there's more money in a Klitschko rematch. He can do it if he wants, but the IBF are in the right for taking the title from him if he does.

Joshua should view the IBF for what they are

strictly second-rate

he should take the money, fcuk the IBF

he should go for the IBF last, if he cares at all

[aboutfkntime]

Well its not that simple brother. The problem is the entire structure.

Obviously promoters & boxers are going for the money in the current circus structure boxing has cuz they can & should with the lack of meaningful regulation with how things work with the abc groups.

The IBF decided that somehow a guy who'd beaten George Arias (56-13) & Maurice Harris (26-20-3) over a year & a half since a L by KO to Klitschko & a guy who'd beaten Beka Lobjanidze (13-3), Marcelo Luiz Nascimento (20-10), Peter Erdos (9-8-4), Jakov Go**** (16-13) & Andras Csomor (14-8-1) over two & a half years since a L by KO to Fury = a matchup worthy of a mandatory title shot.

Idk how you get to the logic of that position without supporting dumb ass rules &/or corruption neither of which I can get behind. If you can fair play to you.

Agreed, top post !!

the main problem with the IBF stripping Fury after 8 days

is that Martin and Glazkov were ****

and the main problem with the IBF stripping Joshua

is that Pulev is ****

sorry, but by my calculations, that makes the IBF ****

just saying.....

if they had half-decent rankings maybe they would have a point..... but, they don't

Fury/Klitschko II..... and Joshua/Klitschko II,,,,, are both way better fights than Glazkov/Pulev/Martin/whatever

the posters who think that "rules doe" > common-sense..... are fkn idiots, and are likely the cause of most of mankind's problems

when legislation is clearly inefficient/wrong, you ignore/remove it..... anything else is ******ity

[aboutfkntime]

There's a bit more to it than that. The key driver for the IBF stripping Fury was the rematch clause not being disclosed - the IBF sanctioned the fight on the understanding that their mandatory would be next. Fury wins, the undisclosed rematch clause is revealed, and the IBF have to slide down the order.

The Joshua-Martin fight was definitely a farce. An absolute joke of a fight. But I do see where the IBF was coming from in stripping Fury. I'd take a frustrating IBF over the bent and crooked WBC, WBO and WBA.

1) ranking Martin/Glazkov over Fury/Klitschko is absurd

2) the IBF ignored the rest of world..... they ignored the current state of the heavyweight division..... and then they ignored common-sense..... and the ONLY reason why they did that, is to make a public statement confirming that they consider themselves better than the rest.....

..... oh, then they proceeded to PROVE that they are clearly NOT better than the rest..... unless you still rate Charles Martin

3) ranking the IBF over the other sanctioning bodies is not only inaccurate, it is a pointless turd-polishing contest

supporting the IBF, is enabling them to further fragment boxing..... just like supporting those other asshats

experienced guys seem to ignore the childish, greedy, corrupt, sanctioning bodies..... less-experienced observers are always right in the middle of that absurd conversation

[Eff Pandas]

the posters who think that "rules doe" > common-sense..... are fkn idiots, and are likely the cause of most of mankind's problems

when legislation is clearly inefficient/wrong, you ignore/remove it..... anything else is ******ity

LMAO & yep exactly.

If anyone doesn't see a problem with the abc groups for multiple reasons I think you got some version of Stockholm Syndrome or something via these abc groups being around f#cking up boxing for so long.

[KillaCamNZ]

1) ranking Martin/Glazkov over Fury/Klitschko is absurd

2) the IBF ignored the rest of world..... they ignored the current state of the heavyweight division..... and then they ignored common-sense..... and the ONLY reason why they did that, is to make a public statement confirming that they consider themselves better than the rest.....

..... oh, then they proceeded to PROVE that they are clearly NOT better than the rest..... unless you still rate Charles Martin

3) ranking the IBF over the other sanctioning bodies is not only inaccurate, it is a pointless turd-polishing contest

supporting the IBF, is enabling them to further fragment boxing..... just like supporting those other asshats

experienced guys seem to ignore the childish, greedy, corrupt, sanctioning bodies..... less-experienced observers are always right in the middle of that absurd conversation

The IBF stuck to what they said they would do, and followed through. Honoring their word and their rules is an admirable quality to me. The whole fiasco could have been avoided had either of Fury's or Klitchko's Camp's been honest with the IBF - they weren't, and the IBF chose not to bend their rules to accommodate.

Fans can't have it both ways - there can't be endless b*tching and moaning about Orgs being corrupt, favoring fighters and promoters with shady handshake deals...whilst b*tching about an Organization for following through on what they said they would do.

In saying that, expecting fans not to be hypocritical and actually make sense, is like asking for God to show he's real. Fans need things to complain about so they feel relevant.

Anyway.

[aboutfkntime]

The IBF stuck to what they said they would do, and followed through. Honoring their word and their rules is an admirable quality to me. The whole fiasco could have been avoided had either of Fury's or Klitchko's Camp's been honest with the IBF - they weren't, and the IBF chose not to bend their rules to accommodate.

Fans can't have it both ways - there can't be endless b*tching and moaning about Orgs being corrupt, favoring fighters and promoters with shady handshake deals...whilst b*tching about an Organization for following through on what they said they would do.

In saying that, expecting fans not to be hypocritical and actually make sense, is like asking for God to show he's real. Fans need things to complain about so they feel relevant.

Anyway.

who cares?..... what they did was shht

you totally missed the point

common-sense > shht