Comments Thread For: Joshua Could Lose IBF Belt Prior To Klitschko II, Pulev Stands Firm

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Meh. Both fights are equally interesting to me.

I don't get as excited about rematches period, but especially not a rematch against a guy in Wlad's position.

10 years as champion and he's lost 2 in a row while his hair went grey, never seen a more clear cut time to retire.

If guys like Arreola can get 4 title shots, Pulev getting a second shot seems more than fair.

[KillaCamNZ]

who cares?..... what they did was shht

you totally missed the point

common-sense > shht

No, I got the point, it resulted in a garbage fight and a trickle down effect.

What I'm saying is, people need to get the **** out of here with their hypocritical whining when an Org does something dodgy - every damn day - when they can't give due credit to an Org that stuck by the rules.

Here's an idea - don't lie. It's not hard, but both camps lied. Direct your frustration towards the Promoters who can't tell the truth - if they actually had of, we wouldn't be in this position. Doesn't take much common sense to figure that out.

[ShoulderRoll]

The IBF stuck to what they said they would do, and followed through. Honoring their word and their rules is an admirable quality to me. The whole fiasco could have been avoided had either of Fury's or Klitchko's Camp's been honest with the IBF - they weren't, and the IBF chose not to bend their rules to accommodate.

Fans can't have it both ways - there can't be endless b*tching and moaning about Orgs being corrupt, favoring fighters and promoters with shady handshake deals...whilst b*tching about an Organization for following through on what they said they would do.

In saying that, expecting fans not to be hypocritical and actually make sense, is like asking for God to show he's real. Fans need things to complain about so they feel relevant.

Anyway.

Great post.

The IBF goes by the letter of the law and you can always depend on them to apply the rules equally to everyone, regardless of network ties or promotional affiliations or deep pockets.

It's insane that some fans complain about the lawlessness and Wild West nature of the alphabet groups but when one actually tries to bring some organization and transparency they don't like it.

The IBF isn't perfect but if they were to make a few tweaks they would be the best org in the sport by far. They might already be anyway, despite the things they get wrong.

[KillaCamNZ]

Great post.

The IBF goes by the letter of the law and you can always depend on them to apply the rules equally to everyone, regardless of network ties or promotional affiliations or deep pockets.

It's insane that some fans complain about the lawlessness and Wild West nature of the alphabet groups but when one actually tries to bring some organization and transparency they don't like it.

The IBF isn't perfect but if they were to make a few tweaks they would be the best org in the sport by far. They might already be anyway, despite the things they get wrong.

This nailed it, 100%.

The hypocrisy from some fans is mind boggling.

We should be encouraging attempts to uphold integrity and be consistent with rulings.

[original zero]

If anyone doesn't see a problem with the abc groups for multiple reasons I think you got some version of Stockholm Syndrome or something via these abc groups being around f#cking up boxing for so long.

Who said they didn't see any problems with the sanctioning bodies?

Nobody.

But the sanctioning bodies don't have any actual power. They don't own anything. They don't broadcast anything. They don't promote anything. They don't manage anything. They don't sign fighters. They don't promote fights. They don't stage fights.

So any problem you have, the blame really should be directed at the promoters and TV networks for creating and supporting such a ridiculous system.

[original zero]

ranking Martin/Glazkov over Fury/Klitschko is absurd

That's not what happened. The problem is you don't care about facts or logic. You want what you want and you don't care what the truth is.

After Fury defeated Klitschko, Fury was listed as champion in the next set of IBF ratings. Martin and Glazkov were not ranked above him.

Glazkov was already the mandatory and couldn't be moved from his #1 position. #2 was vacant because you have to win an official boxoff to gain the #1 or #2 IBF rating.

So Klitschko was installed at #3, the highest possible position. Above Martin.

Klitschko could have fought Glazkov for the vacant title, but turned down the opportunity, which is why Martin got the shot.

[original zero]

the main problem with the IBF stripping Fury after 8 days

is that Martin and Glazkov were ****

and the main problem with the IBF stripping Joshua

is that Pulev is ****

The IBF can't force people to fight for them. The IBF allowed the WBO mandatory (Fury) to take precedence over their own overdue mandatory (Glazkov) on the condition that Fury & Klitschko promise to face Glazkov next if they won.

Fury broke his promise and refused to honor his agreement with the IBF, even though the IBF had allowed him, as WBO mandatory, to take priority over the overdue IBF mandatory.

The IBF went above and beyond to try to keep the titles unified.

But there was no legal basis for the IBF to allow Fury to make a VOLUNTARY defense against Klitschko when he promised to face the IBF mandatory. Glazkov won his eliminator and had the right to fight for the title. When Duva demands a purse bid, the IBF's hands become tied.

If the same thing happens with Pulev, so be it. It's not the IBF's fault. It's Klitschko's fault for believing he is entitled to infinite title shots. He's lost twice in a row. He hasn't won a fight in over two years. In a real sport, he would have to wait his turn.

[original zero]

Joshua should view the IBF for what they are

strictly second-rate

So then that makes Joshua second rate, no? And Wilder is the real champion of the world?

[aboutfkntime]

No, I got the point, it resulted in a garbage fight and a trickle down effect.

What I'm saying is, people need to get the **** out of here with their hypocritical whining when an Org does something dodgy - every damn day - when they can't give due credit to an Org that stuck by the rules.

Here's an idea - don't lie. It's not hard, but both camps lied. Direct your frustration towards the Promoters who can't tell the truth - if they actually had of, we wouldn't be in this position. Doesn't take much common sense to figure that out.

Great post.

The IBF goes by the letter of the law and you can always depend on them to apply the rules equally to everyone, regardless of network ties or promotional affiliations or deep pockets.

It's insane that some fans complain about the lawlessness and Wild West nature of the alphabet groups but when one actually tries to bring some organization and transparency they don't like it.

The IBF isn't perfect but if they were to make a few tweaks they would be the best org in the sport by far. They might already be anyway, despite the things they get wrong.

Who said they didn't see any problems with the sanctioning bodies?

Nobody.

But the sanctioning bodies don't have any actual power. They don't own anything. They don't broadcast anything. They don't promote anything. They don't manage anything. They don't sign fighters. They don't promote fights. They don't stage fights.

So any problem you have, the blame really should be directed at the promoters and TV networks for creating and supporting such a ridiculous system.

when the IBF " stuck to their rules ".....
..... they fragmented the division, and ended up with a second-rate champion

how the hell can that be the best decision for boxing ?

you Charles Martin fans are ******s

[aboutfkntime]

That's not what happened. The problem is you don't care about facts or logic. You want what you want and you don't care what the truth is.

After Fury defeated Klitschko, Fury was listed as champion in the next set of IBF ratings. Martin and Glazkov were not ranked above him.

Glazkov was already the mandatory and couldn't be moved from his #1 position. #2 was vacant because you have to win an official boxoff to gain the #1 or #2 IBF rating.

So Klitschko was installed at #3, the highest possible position. Above Martin.

Klitschko could have fought Glazkov for the vacant title, but turned down the opportunity, which is why Martin got the shot.

what was more ******.....

stripping Fury after 8 days..... ?

or immediately giving Charles Martin 12 months to fight whomever he chooses following his rousing defeat of Vyacheslav Glazkov..... ?

rules doe, quick tip..... when your rules end up with a farcical outcome, you should change your rules

the IBF are boxing by numbers, and it is clearly absurd..... their rankings are beyond ridiculous for the most part

a common-sense decision with the best interests of boxing in mind, made by a board of knowledgeable insiders..... clearly beats the hell out of second-rate contenders selected by using a second-rate boxing-by-numbers system

the only fact that has become clear, is that the IBF are second-rate