Is Wladimir Klitschko a top ten ATG heavyweight?

[CRM114]

Yes he is

Ali
Louis
Dempsey
Holmes
Wlad
Frazier
Foreman
Tunney
Holyfield
Lewis

Tyson/Marciano/Patterson/Sullivan/Johnson rounding out the top 15

[Ray Corso]

"He beat Peter, Haye, Povetkin, Chagaev at their peak. Chris Byrd.
What other HW fought that many undefeated opponents"?

Who did they fight to be such notable "undefeated fighters"?


Who are they on the Boxing Heavyweight Charts? Those guys at "their peak" were ordinary talents.
Wlad gets credit from me for handling his era but just remember he was a boring performer who lost when "he stepped up". I throw out the Joshua fight just as I do Joe Louis vs Marcanio nether man was at his best.

You saw the lack of defense throughout his career and without the ability to reach out and grab and be allowed to hold he would have more KO looses in my opinion.

Quality character, cares about the game but not a highly skilled boxer by any means. Just a big strong guy who learned the basics and fought opponents who never came close to ATG's.

Good luck in retirement I hope he and his brother can help their people and country gain some rights and freedom.

Ray

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He beat 0 hall of fame fighters

What are his top 10 wins?

Frazier beat a prime Ali

Marciano and Tyson both have Hall of famers on their resumes.

Klitschko had a long reign but who did he actually defeat?

Is that arbitrary HOF designation all that matters, regardless of context?

Wlad (and for that matter Haye, Povetkin, etc) in his prime wouldn't have beaten the old jello legs Holmes that makes up the only entry in the HOF section of Tyson's resume? That eclipses everything else?

[leppard365]

No way

Not beaten enough top level opponents

[bwilson]

Top fifteen.

[The Time]

Anybody can call himself a "boxing historian", but it doesn't really mean anything at all.

Well, I'm with the experts on this one.

So we definitely can agree to disagree.

[The Hammer]

Well, I'm with the experts on this one.

Anyone can claim to be an expert. And if you have the right connections, you can get a job on ESPN like the mentally unstable moron Teddy Atlas or on HBO like the annoyingly awful Max Kellerman.

But it doesn't REALLY mean anything.

[The Hammer]

Wladimir Klitschko is an all time great-Ali,Louis,Dempsey & many more were finished b4 age 41-Wladi was magnificent in defeat-Class+dignity

— Michael Buffer (@Michael_Buffer) April 30, 2017

[engleby]

off the men ive seen in my lifetime id have him behind . holmes ali foreman lewis holyfeild and vitali, so yes hes top ten imho

[All in]

From Boxrec:

"Klitschko held the IBF, WBA and WBO heavyweight titles longer than any other fighter in history, and he is the second longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time. Klitschko's reign of nine years, seven months and seven days is second only to the reign of Joe Louis, who was champion for 11 years, eight months and eight days."

"Klitschko successfully defended the WBO and IBF heavyweight titles more than any other fighter: he defended the WBO title 19 times (five during his first reign and 14 during his second reign) and the IBF title 18 times. Only Joe Louis (25 defenses) and Larry Holmes (20 defenses) have made more".

Without a doubt, he is an ATG

Can't argue with facts.