Is Wladimir Klitschko a top ten ATG heavyweight?

[GhostofDempsey]

No, not a top ten ATG HW. Maybe somewhere between 15-20. Even then, I have my doubts. But I'm taking into account overall skill, not just his resume.

[KnockoutNed]

Just barely squeaks inside the top 25 and that is being generous. I rate his brother higher.

No ATG goes life and death at their peak vs Sam Peter, being forced to excessively foul in order to barely get through.

[The Hammer]

Just barely squeaks inside the top 20 and that is being generous.

In other words, you only allow black boxers in your top ten, and you are extremely reluctant to even permit anyone who isn't black in my top 20.

[The Big Dunn]

No, not a top ten ATG HW. Maybe somewhere between 15-20. Even then, I have my doubts. But I'm taking into account overall skill, not just his resume.

Just barely squeaks inside the top 25 and that is being generous. I rate his brother higher.

In other words, you only allow black boxers in your top ten, and you are extremely reluctant to even permit anyone who isn't black in my top 20.

You took me off ignore so I returned the favor.

Your lack of response to Ghost of Dempsey and angry response to knockout Ned is completely unfair IMO.

edit:

Well, you put me back on ignore. I gave him a ton of credit for the way he fought like a champion and the way he conducted himself in defeat.

I also have given him some credit in the past-admittedly not a lot-despite the fact I don't like him.

[The Hammer]

Your lack of response to Ghost of Dempsey and angry response to knockout Ned is completely unfair IMO.

Your refusal over the years to ever give Wladimir Klitschko even the slightest credit is completely unfair.

[Dark Destroyer]

Top 10? I'm not too sure BUT a definate great of the modern era purely on his dominance.

[jas]

Brewster, josh, sanders all beat him h2h but aren't greater. Wlad is top 10 arguably for the same reason Lennox Lewis is

That wasn't wladimir at his best when he lost to those guys. I think even wladimir at his best would lose to a lot of past heavyweights. I do understand atg lists have to balance accomplishments and ability.

[JimRaynor]

"He beat Peter, Haye, Povetkin, Chagaev at their peak. Chris Byrd.
What other HW fought that many undefeated opponents"?

Who did they fight to be such notable "undefeated fighters"?


Who are they on the Boxing Heavyweight Charts? Those guys at "their peak" were ordinary talents.
Wlad gets credit from me for handling his era but just remember he was a boring performer who lost when "he stepped up". I throw out the Joshua fight just as I do Joe Louis vs Marcanio nether man was at his best.

You saw the lack of defense throughout his career and without the ability to reach out and grab and be allowed to hold he would have more KO looses in my opinion.

Quality character, cares about the game but not a highly skilled boxer by any means. Just a big strong guy who learned the basics and fought opponents who never came close to ATG's.

Good luck in retirement I hope he and his brother can help their people and country gain some rights and freedom.

Ray

This is fake news, if one thing Wladimir was known to be was a highly skilled boxer. His jab is probably the best in heavyweight history. In his early days he turned his jab into a hook, and even in later years double hooked, and had one of the most polished straight rights of any boxer in any weight class.

Wladimir's downfall was never his skill, it was always his chin and stamina. Toward his later years he learned to pace himself, and relax more in the ring after getting hit.

[i love boxing]

Is that arbitrary HOF designation all that matters, regardless of context?

Wlad (and for that matter Haye, Povetkin, etc) in his prime wouldn't have beaten the old jello legs Holmes that makes up the only entry in the HOF section of Tyson's resume? That eclipses everything else?

I think Tyson is overrated so thats a terrible example

[The Time]

Top 10

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Jack Dempsey
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Larry Holmes
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mike Tyson



Wladimir Klitschko is top 15 or 20

Not top 10