Loma is scary good, better than Floyd

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  • Redd Foxx
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    #31
    Originally posted by considerthis
    Floyd is obviously more established...but would you take a 9-0 floyd over a 8-1 lomachenko? Floyd fought a 1-13 guy in his 9th pro fight.
    I don't understand why people keep saying that^. Jumping into tough fights is great but he's already got an L because of it. This comparison only works when you look at a career, not who was the quickest off the starting line. He could end up losing to Garcia in the next year, then he's got 2 looses in 10 fights. Let's just be patient with the guy. He's got time. I think he'll go far.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Redd Foxx
      I don't understand why people keep saying that^. Jumping into tough fights is great but he's already got an L because of it. This comparison only works when you look at a career, not who was the quickest off the starting line. He could end up losing to Garcia in the next year, then he's got 2 looses in 10 fights. Let's just be patient with the guy. He's got time. I think he'll go far.
      What does that L matter really? Floyd could have just as easily had an L against castillo. The comparison between the 2 is meaningless at this point, but my post was in response to someone saying floyd was levels above loma. Career-wise yes, but in the context of where they both were early on...no.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        I don't understand why people keep saying that^. Jumping into tough fights is great but he's already got an L because of it. This comparison only works when you look at a career, not who was the quickest off the starting line. He could end up losing to Garcia in the next year, then he's got 2 looses in 10 fights. Let's just be patient with the guy. He's got time. I think he'll go far.
        Also have to take into account that Lomachenko had like 300 odd amateur fights or whatever it was.

        That's the exact reason why they felt they could fast track him because he isn't your regular guy just turning pro.

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          #34
          Originally posted by badass316
          He's much better. It was really an insult to Loma when the HBO crew tried to compare him to Whitaker and Floyd. Although those two runners fought alike, they fought nothing like Loma. Not even close.
          Whitaker is closer to Loma than he is to Floyd lol

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            #35
            OH and on the topic of Loma himself, damn his movement is out of this world! One of the commentators compared him Pep and I think thats a perfect comparison. Loma stays in the pocket but instead of simply deflecting punches with gloves, forearms and shoulders ala floyd, he does it with foot movement and head movement...I don't think I've seen a fighter so on the move since I first watched Whitaker.

            On top of all that, Loma is a genuine combination puncher and we haven't seen a load of them and boy do I love combination punchers. Rights and lefts, straights and hooks, up and down, he has it ALL.

            BUT...and this is a massive BUTTTTT he still has the pansy about him and I hatet o say it about a guy who I'm starting to really like watching but every time theres the odd head butt, the odd low blow, which happens in pro boxing, he looks to the ref and expects his opponent to stop. Sosa gave hima lot of respect, if it was someone like Salido or one of those dirty Thai fighters who seem to know all the tricks in the book, they would have jumpedo n him.

            I still don't think Loma beats anyone who matches him for size and can rough him up. I may be wrong but I see Loma being one who just doesn't like the physicality of it all.

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            • Lords
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              #36
              Floyd trolls always got something to say. Floyd displays superb defense and offense and people say he running and borning. Loma displays superb defense and offense and the same people praise and say he P4P champ. Silly posters.

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                #37
                Looooooooooooooool.

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                • Redd Foxx
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by considerthis
                  What does that L matter really? Floyd could have just as easily had an L against castillo. The comparison between the 2 is meaningless at this point, but my post was in response to someone saying floyd was levels above loma. Career-wise yes, but in the context of where they both were early on...no.
                  I think he's grown past that loss so I won't belabor that but my bigger point was that Floyd went undefeated for years fighting many of the best fighters out there. That carries more weight than just getting a fast start, especially when we haven't seen the fast starter play out his career yet.
                  I do agree with you on the rest. If he were somehow able to maintain this pace for years, he may eclipse Floyd. That's a huge ask though.
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Also have to take into account that Lomachenko had like 300 odd amateur fights or whatever it was.

                  That's the exact reason why they felt they could fast track him because he isn't your regular guy just turning pro.
                  Agreed. I see a lot of fans playing this "he's only had a few fights" angle. The guy has a wealth of boxing experience. He just had to adapt it to the pros. Rigo is another one who developed greatly in the amateurs but they fuqed up his pro career. This "how far did they get in their first 10 fights" argument is nowhere.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by considerthis
                    Floyd is obviously more established...but would you take a 9-0 floyd over a 8-1 lomachenko? Floyd fought a 1-13 guy in his 9th pro fight.
                    Yeah but Floyd turned pro at a very young age and still learning his craft but in the pro game, as many fighters do. Lomachenko is coming up 30 and only been pro about 3/4 years. He's been beating up kids in the amateurs for years and has huge experience with over 400 fights.

                    I'm a Lomachenko fan but it's not a good comparison to judge the early part of his career to Floyd's, it's two very different situations completely.

                    He still has a long way to go before he can be considered better than Mayweather. Is he as gifted and talented as Floyd? arguably yes but seems most are just judging Floyd on the past few years and not what he used to be. "Pretty Boy" Floyd was every bit as gifted as Lomachenko but he also has the resume and career to prove it. Now it's down to Lomachenko to show what he can do.

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                      #40
                      Need to see Loma in with some much better fighters to make that judgement.

                      I think that the Salido that beat Loma to beat all of his opponents since tbh.

                      He certainly looks like an elite talent though. When he can get the right opponents in the ring he will be P4P no.1 most likely.

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