I think I understand why Joe Calzaghe is still mocked.

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  • Scary
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    #41
    He was actually a KO puncher in the first part of his career, but he had brittle hands and had to change his way of fighting, which is pretty damn impressive.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Scary
      Joe wasn't a light heavyweight, only in his last two fights. He was truly a SMW, with 21 titledefences - nothing to sniff at.
      Joe walked around at 192-196 pounds.

      He had to kill himself to make SMW.

      He should have moved up years before he did.

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        #43
        People actually think that to evaluate Joe Calzighe unfavorably is done out of racial sentiments?
        sounds like something Elroy would say...

        History is a camera lens. Gradually over time a picture emerges about a fighter...how good, how bad, how consistant, etc... It takes time and patience but the habits, weaknesses and strengths of a fighter do come to the surface.

        Joe fought weak competition. Thats just a fact. Joe was competative with two men who were great fighters but were way past their prime...he was dropped by both men, and Bhops won the fight to many people, again: all facts, not up for debate. Just compare the record of Hopkins, JOnes and Calzighe, including when they fought and whom they fought... there is no comparison.

        Finally, when evaluating Calzighe's technical abilities, there is hardly anything magnificent. He definitely dominated solid European level competition, but thats not the same as not having a pleasant style and still beating the best. Hank Armstrong was a bit of a volume ouncher himself...but he beat guys who were the best...Joe beat up guys who were solid, and/or past their prime.

        Joe did a number on Lacy...turned out not to be that big of a deal though did it? Just the facts.

        All one has to do is compare Joe to Ward to understand the difference between a great fighter who dominated competition, fought the best at all times, and a fighter who coasted, fought second best, and needed the judges to affirm victories...With Ward that happened with Kovalev, with Joe it happened often!

        Michael Nunn would have had JOe for tea with crumkets! ditto for Toney much less prime JOnes!!

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        • FinitoxDinamita
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          #44
          Naw. I dislike calzaghe simple because he slaps like a hoe. His style is extremely ugly to watch, even more so than pac's style.

          It's comical when he throws those girly azz slapping combos. He fights like a lil btch.

          *** joe calzaghe

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          • lopetego
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            #45
            Originally posted by FinitoxDinamita
            Naw. I dislike calzaghe simple because he slaps like a hoe. His style is extremely ugly to watch, even more so than pac's style.

            It's comical when he throws those girly azz slapping combos. He fights like a lil btch.

            *** joe calzaghe
            wtf are you talking about, prime Pacquiao was beautiful to watch, he was poetry in motion, violent, relentless boxing poetry, one of the most entertaining fighters ever.

            Dont compare him with Calslappy's awkward, ugly, girly fighting style.

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            • robertzimmerman
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              #46
              Originally posted by soul_survivor
              Sources for these quotes?
              Enjoy:

              https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxin...he.-a060444934

              When Joe Calzaghe insists he is a better boxer than Lennox Lewis, the temptation is to brand him as an arrogant upstart. Lewis, after all, recently gloried in the ultimate accolade of "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world".


              IT WAS past three o'clock in the morning when Joe Calzaghe experienced the sweetest validation of his professional life. Victory over Jeff Lacy, a 28-year-old American compared to a young Mike Tyson because of his power and "take-no-prisoners attitude", left no one in doubt about the world super middleweight champion's talent. For years, Calzaghe's virtuosity remained a legend of the Welsh valleys. His defeat in 1997 of Chris Eubank brought him to prominence, winning for him the World Boxing Organisation (WBO) super middleweight title. But despite a record number of defences of the belt, his career lacked a defining contest. A long line of challengers and ex-titleholders were disposed of but the biggest names in American boxing avoided the ultimate showdown he craved. Hand injuries further obscured the true level of his aptitude for an art he began to learn from his father, Enzo, at the age of eight when - inspired by Sugar Ray Leonard - a rolled-up carpet in the family home in Newbridge became a makeshift heavy bag.This is the story of Calzaghe's extraordinary life, from his humble beginnings in his hometown of Newbridge, to his ascent to personal greatness, becoming the first super middleweight boxer to win the prized belt awarded by The Ring, the bible of boxing, in the division's near 20-year history. One of Britain's foremost sporting champions, a warrior and working-class hero, this is the story of the triumphs and trials that made Calzaghe a legend.


              https://********/AWDtzdAYTOA (6 min mark)

              IT'S a pretty strange feeling, writing this column knowing that I may very well never step into the ring again as a professional boxer.


              http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ca...utless.849097/



              Although he was unfortunate with injuries and set backs over his career, he deserves all of the criticism he receives. Just look at the contradictions and his actions. Take the above into account, and note that he made 21 defences of a lightly regarded WBO belt, where only 7 of those defences were mandatories, and he had to kill himself to make weight.

              He wasn't bothered about Tarver, Pavlik or Dawson etc, but was happy to fight guys like Manfredo and Bika, before bowing out against a guy who he'd labelled as shot.

              He played it safe his whole career. And the main reason for that was because he was unfortunately bullied when he was at school. I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but that is why he was so protective of his zero. He vowed that due to his experiences, he would never let anybody beat him again either physically or mentally.

              What Joe didn't/doesn't realise, is that he'd have gotten much more respect had he have pursued the best possible fights, even if it'd have meant that he wouldn't have retired unbeaten.

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                #47
                In 1991, at 19, Joe Calzaghe won the ABA Welterweight title. In 1992, at 20, Joe Calzaghe won the ABA Super Welterweight title. In 1993, at 21, Joe Calzaghe won the ABA Middleweight title. He made his pro debut later that year at Super Middleweight, the division he won the WBO World title in in 1997, at 25.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by IconBoy
                  Funny people mentioning Jones age, they were only a couple of years age difference lol. Stop trying to discredit Joe's win.
                  Joe discredited the win.

                  IT WAS past three o'clock in the morning when Joe Calzaghe experienced the sweetest validation of his professional life. Victory over Jeff Lacy, a 28-year-old American compared to a young Mike Tyson because of his power and "take-no-prisoners attitude", left no one in doubt about the world super middleweight champion's talent. For years, Calzaghe's virtuosity remained a legend of the Welsh valleys. His defeat in 1997 of Chris Eubank brought him to prominence, winning for him the World Boxing Organisation (WBO) super middleweight title. But despite a record number of defences of the belt, his career lacked a defining contest. A long line of challengers and ex-titleholders were disposed of but the biggest names in American boxing avoided the ultimate showdown he craved. Hand injuries further obscured the true level of his aptitude for an art he began to learn from his father, Enzo, at the age of eight when - inspired by Sugar Ray Leonard - a rolled-up carpet in the family home in Newbridge became a makeshift heavy bag.This is the story of Calzaghe's extraordinary life, from his humble beginnings in his hometown of Newbridge, to his ascent to personal greatness, becoming the first super middleweight boxer to win the prized belt awarded by The Ring, the bible of boxing, in the division's near 20-year history. One of Britain's foremost sporting champions, a warrior and working-class hero, this is the story of the triumphs and trials that made Calzaghe a legend.


                  https://********/AWDtzdAYTOA (6 min mark)

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                  • robertzimmerman
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by SnoopySmurf
                    American. Fan of Joe Calzaghe.

                    Not one boring round from Joe. Not a single boring round. As soon as the bell rings, every opponent is walking into a nearly tireless and relentless Joe Calzaghe.

                    The day I had to remove him from my sig....yeah, sad say. His best fight was with Mikkel Kessler. Classic brawl.
                    You've exaggerated.

                    Some of Joe's fights were awful. They weren't all entertaining.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Kigali
                      Great fighters do great things.

                      Archie Moore was great

                      Bob Foster was great.

                      Joe was FAR from greatness.
                      He underachieved due to playing it safe.

                      He wasn't overly ambitious.

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