Unified or Lineal?

[Robbie Barrett]

Middleweight "lineal" is a prime example of how a lineage becomes watered down. Cotto beats a cripple, and now the middleweight lineage turns into a 155 lb. championship

The unified champ won 1 title in the ring and the others given to him and hasn't beat anyone as good as Cotto. Is that better?

[Robbie Barrett]

Compare any list of org champs against a list of lineal champs in the same division and tell me which list is better.

[KillaCamNZ]

All rankings are opinion based. The orgs rankings are opinion based, the opinions of the orgs. You think the orgs deciding for you is better than what the fans and experts opinions? Sure there are disagreements but not as many as fans disagreeing with the orgs and there's many lineages like Canelos's that can't be disputed.

Take any lists of the orgs champions for a division and compare it with the lineal that the majority of boxing fans agree with. Tell me which represents who was the divisions champions better.

Organizational rankings aren't a better judge of "who's the best" - but I haven't said a word about organizational rankings, so you need to stop clutching.

Once again, you're skipping over the point, but we are making progress. At least you're finally admitting that lineal is a concept that isn't agreed with by everyone.

All interpretations of "the rules" of a lineal champ are just that, interpretations. There may be a consensus on the majority of rules, but no one is right or wrong with the variances, because there is no higher power to say what is right or wrong.

It's opinion based, not fact based. You can't tell me #1 v #2 is fact based - it's not. It's an opinion based on the information people have in front of them.

[Robbie Barrett]

Question:

Is it even possible these day to figure out who is the man who beat the man who beat the man?

My thing is if their is no lineal title in a division then how do you become lineal these days without becoming Undisputed first?

These days you hear how this fighter won the Lineal title this many times in this many divisions or that fighter who the lineal title this many times?

Can we all agree that lineal is pretty much a useless title unless that fighter becomes undisputed first to start a new lineage?

Poor guy still hasn't got a clue.

[boxinghead530]

Compare any list of org champs against a list of lineal champs in the same division and tell me which list is better.

Show me the list of who the lineal champions are.

[SensFullViolenc]

The unified champ won 1 title in the ring and the others given to him and hasn't beat anyone as good as Cotto. Is that better?

If he beats Jacobs, yup, when you add that to Macklin, Geale, Rubio, Murray , Lemeiux

taken together, its much better than beating an aging Cotto, Kirkland & a welterweight. Take off your Canelo Underoos, and you would see it. And also, ignore all the belts. Just look at the fighters, and make a judgement.

And worthy of being crowned the new MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION of the world.

[boxinghead530]

Poor guy still hasn't got a clue.

Dude you make zero sense. Log off this thread. You have added only nonsense.

Before you log off this thread. Eat my a$$hole.

[Robbie Barrett]

Organizational rankings aren't a better judge of "who's the best" - but I haven't said a word about organizational rankings, so you need to stop clutching.

Once again, you're skipping over the point, but we are making progress. At least you're finally admitting that lineal is a concept that isn't agreed with by everyone.

All interpretations of "the rules" of a lineal champ are just that, interpretations. There may be a consensus on the majority of rules, but no one is right or wrong with the variances, because there is no higher power to say what is right or wrong.

It's opinion based, not fact based. You can't tell me #1 v #2 is fact based - it's not. It's an opinion based on the information people have in front of them.

All ratings and rankings are opinion base. If we really want to go the "fact" road then there can be no real champion of any division unless a fighter fights everyone in the division. It's all opinion.

[Robbie Barrett]

Dude you make zero sense. Log off this thread. You have added only nonsense.

Before you log off this thread. Eat my a$$hole.

Watched since 1981 and don't know what lineal is.

[Robbie Barrett]

Show me the list of who the lineal champions are.

Google it.


Don't tell me you've used the internet since 2003 and don't know what Google is. Please.