What gameplan/boxing style defeats Mayweather?

[djtmal]

Look at Alexis Arguello, Tommy Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez, all all time greats and beloved, yet Floyd has a better overall resume and beat OVERALL better opposition and didnt lose to lesser fighters like these men did.

i don't think Floyd, will ever be as beloved as the guys you mentioned, because what you cats miss is, these dudes are beloved, because they took the risky fights, win or lose, with the baddest dudes on the block when they were in their prime...they didn't have the luxury Floyd had, of fighting guys when it made more sense $wise, than legacywise...

you think Floyd should be more beloved, because he never lost, but it don't work like that....

[therealpugilist]

i don't think Floyd, will ever be as beloved as the guys you mentioned, because what you cats miss is, these dudes are beloved, because they took the risky fights, win or lose, with the baddest dudes on the block when they were in their prime...they didn't have the luxury Floyd had, of fighting guys when it made more sense $wise, than legacywise...

you think Floyd should be more beloved, because he never lost, but it don't work like that....

who said anything about him being beloved? i couldnt care less if he is or isnt, people just need to be realistic about where they put the goal posts because those beloved guys i mentioned DID NOT accomplish the things he did or beat as many world champions nor win as many lineal titles.

so mayweather took no risks? you do realize floyd fought for his first title with just 17 pro fights and was only 21 years old.....vs a long time undefeated champion at the weight.......come on bro...you gotta do better than that


so fighting ODLH at 154, having only fought over 135 about 6 times wasnt a risk? oscar chose the gloves, division, ring size, glove size and brand.

who are all the other fighters that took on 20+ world ranked contenders and over 20 former world champions in 49 fights.....across 5 weight classes....

he took risks....he just didnt lose like many of you wanted to see....you'll get over it

[Xi_]

Many welters from the past beat 147 Floyd IMO. Vernon Forrest, Felix Trinidad, RSL, Duran, even Paul Williams and prime Margarito.

Lmao.....Trinidad get easily outboxed so the Williams...prime margarito? Lol slow plodding margarito wouldn't land anything.

[Xi_]

i don't think Floyd, will ever be as beloved as the guys you mentioned, because what you cats miss is, these dudes are beloved, because they took the risky fights, win or lose, with the baddest dudes on the block when they were in their prime...they didn't have the luxury Floyd had, of fighting guys when it made more sense $wise, than legacywise...

you think Floyd should be more beloved, because he never lost, but it don't work like that....

Chavez Sr fought 100 bums lets not act like his resume is stellar.

[therealpugilist]

I'd like to make a civilized discussion on which fighter would best represent the best style to beat the undefeated & incredibly slick Floyd Mayweather.

Many have tried, many have failed but in your mind, what would be the best strategy or what type of fighter would be needed to defeat someone like Mayweather?


Discuss!

PRIME MAYWEATHER was 130-140


he was in his 30s majority of his time at 147 and 154.....he was not in his prime at all....maybe in the Judah, and Baldomir fights but its clear he had slowed down but he was more experienced and patient in the ring.


Only way I see someone beating a prime mayweather is with a clear size advantage, uber stamina, stout chin, and 100 punches a round

he'd take losses to Ray Robinson, Hearns, Julian Jackson, guys he is too small to compete with but vs guys his size, he shines....unless its sweet pea whitaker......maybe henry armstrong, other than that Chavez gets clearly outboxed....Prime duran struggled with dejesus who Mayweather does everything better than, so thats why fights from 130-140 arent discussed. people know how dominant and how scary good he was

[richardt]

Look at Alexis Arguello, Tommy Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez, all all time greats and beloved, yet Floyd has a better overall resume and beat OVERALL better opposition and didnt lose to lesser fighters like these men did.

Hearns and Leonard never lost to to a lesser fighter in their prime. And Benitez, Leonard, Duran, and Hearns was THE era of 147 history. Floyd, Oscar, Trinidad, Simon Brown, Curry, Starling, McCrory, all had nice eras but the resumes of the late 70's/early 80's topples Floyd's era and the others by a huge stretch. None of the other eras had high level ATG's vs high level ATG's in their prime so there is no way Floyd had the overall better resume and the high level ATG's vs the high level ATG's didnt happen in the Floyd era, no fault of his own except for the fault of Floyd and Pac both waiting too long. It is what it is. Even Cuevas, the lessor of the bunch back then had 10 successful title defenses with 9 by knockout which says a lot.

[therealpugilist]

Hearns and Leonard never lost to to a lesser fighter in their prime. And Benitez, Leonard, Duran, and Hearns was THE era of 147 history. Floyd, Oscar, Trinidad, Simon Brown, Curry, Starling, McCrory, all had nice eras but the resumes of the late 70's/early 80's topples Floyd's era and the others by a huge stretch. None of the other eras had high level ATG's vs high level ATG's in their prime so there is no way Floyd had the overall better resume and the high level ATG's vs the high level ATG's didnt happen in the Floyd era, no fault of his own except for the fault of Floyd and Pac both waiting too long. It is what it is. Even Cuevas, the lessor of the bunch back then had 10 successful title defenses with 9 by knockout which says a lot.

Hearns lost to Iran Barkley.....twice....went on to win titles after the first loss

i never said leonard lost to lesser fighters but i did say Duran and Arguello did

Duran lost to most the big names he fought...just the truth

Cuevas also didnt fight murderers row...he was a good fighter but very raw and crude.

you do realize mayweathers best weights were 130-140 so whats the deal with you guys only bringing up HUGE welterweights and junior middleweights?

[spytactics]

Two out of five.

Counter punching was not Williams' forte. That assumes you don't get nailed on the counter punch like he frequently did.

The fifth, not mentioned, is a rock solid chin - which Williams certainly did not have.

You don't need chin a rock solid chin to fight a featherfisted mayweather?! Plus, Maidana already beat him, JLC, and I had Pacquiao edge his ****** azz out

[Kel1981]

Castillo did it, Maidana did it and a prime Margarito would have done it. Judah (if only he could keep his head for more that 4 rounds) was outboxing Floyd also, with a KD, so that's not impossible either.

Floyd was a special fighter, not a true force by any means.

[djtmal]

therealpugilist;17483132]who said anything about him being beloved? i couldnt care less if he is or isnt, people just need to be realistic about where they put the goal posts because those beloved guys i mentioned DID NOT accomplish the things he did or beat as many world champions nor win as many lineal titles.

Look at Alexis Arguello, Tommy Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez, all all time greats and beloved, yet Floyd has a better overall resume and beat OVERALL better opposition and didnt lose to lesser fighters like these men did.

Lol..This statement right here says it all. I keep telling you cats that Floyd can go undefeated against 1000 beltholders, make tons of $ and the whole nine, but when it comes to fighting your equal in their prime, they all trump Floyd in that most critical category, and you cats think Floyd gets style points because of everything else, and it just don't work like that...

so mayweather took no risks? you do realize floyd fought for his first title with just 17 pro fights and was only 21 years old.....vs a long time undefeated champion at the weight.......come on bro...you gotta do better than that

that was a biiig risk vs. who? hernandez? the same hernandez (rip) who got his nose broke by Oscar? Oscar already beat him to that one...bro...lol


so fighting ODLH at 154, having only fought over 135 about 6 times wasnt a risk? oscar chose the gloves, division, ring size, glove size and brand.


Oh yeah if it was the Oscar that played high speed chess with Mosley and outboxed Trinidad, it definitely would have been a far bigger risk than the Oscar that Floyd stepped in with...I don't think anyone would disagree with that...


who are all the other fighters that took on 20+ world
ranked contenders and over 20 former world champions in 49 fights.....across 5 weight classes....

he took risks....he just didnt lose like many of you wanted to see...

all I ever wanted to see from money may, not pretty boy cause pretty boy was the truth, money may, was some fights where I couldn't predict the outcome so easily, and come on dude, you can't be serious if you don't think hearns, srl, duran, benitez, etc., couldn't beat a million paper champs, or wouldn't flourish in this era of boxing, where you have far more alphabet organizations, and mediocre beltholders than at any other time in the history of the sport...