Comments Thread For: Canelo-Chavez: Big Promotional Tour on Tap, Big Undercard Plans

[bigdunny1]

Floyd vs Cotto drew 1.5m ppvs generated 94m
Floyd vs Canelo drew 2.2m ppvs generated 150m

Cotto vs Geale drew 1.5m TV viewers 12k attendance (couldn't sell out Barclays)
Canelo vs Kirkland drew 2.2m TV Viewers 31k attendance (filled up a baseball field)

But you trying to tell me Canelo wasn't the A side responsible for Canelo vs Cotto drawing 900k? Dude you embarrassing yourself. No matter how you try and twist the numbers Canelo is the biggest draw today and you can't count on 1 hand fighters who are a bigger draw then Chavez. When GGG once again struggles to even sell 100k ppvs you will make BS excuses why that is somehow great but when Canelo/Chavez threaten to hit 1m PPV you will be here making more bogus excuses to hate on Canelo.

[rrayvez]

Chavez and Sergio both didn't speak english and it sold what 5X the amount of PPVs then GGG vs Lemiuex who both speak english and that didn't help them sell and far more then GGG will do vs Jacobs. We can go down the line thurman vs Porter featured 2 americans and didn't generate even a spec of the money Chavez and Sergio generated and or this fight coming up. You have MLB superstars who are cuban or dominican don't speak a lick of english and fans are lining up to buy their jerseys over american ballplayers who speak english. This is 2017 sure speaking english can add more exposure but it doesn't hold you back. Especially in boxing which is so international with so many non american top fighters. This is not a sport that is only dominated by americans where a non english speaker is unusual it's actually very common in boxing and UFC.

and Oscar vs Chavez 1 was bigger and damn sure by the time the rematch occurred Oscar was already a huge star and a much bigger fight then Oscar vs Vargas if you can't admit that you just lying your azzz off. Oscar vs Vargas sold more then both Oscar/Chavez 1 or 2 simply because boxing was more experienced at throwing PPVs, were throwing more PPVs then the early and mid 90's and the dynamic in boxing changed because of PPVs which started in early 90's and exploded in 2000s. Take any big fights in the 90's put it in the 2000's and it generates far more money and larger PPVs. Either you too young to of big a boxing fan through the 90's but I assure there were tons of mega fights big fights didn't just happen for the first time in the 2000s. SMH

If neither Canelo or Chavez are have mass appeal name the active fighters today who do? If you can't then you are conceding that this fight features 2 of the biggest draws in boxing which historically means big success at the box office. I've pointed out stats on both guys resumes that almost no other active fighter can say they've done. All you got is they don't speak english LMAO

you're making irrelevant comparisons. I'm comparing Mexican American fighters to Mexicans and you're talking about Argentines and fighters from Canada and khazitsktan. Different types of boxing fan bases. I've watched boxing since the early days of ppv so you're not telling me anything new. My original point of 2 Mexicans from Mexico have never sold anywhere near a Mil holds true and it will still hold true after this fight. As far as your point about stats, again, Canelo is not the star Floyd or pac were and Chavez again hasn't done anything in yrs. Canelo may be the biggest current name but that doesn't mean he had the same status as past ppv stars. Selling 290k isn't great. Golden boy predicted 1 mil vs khan and ended up in the 400s. Since you wanna make baseball comparisons, of the best hitter on a baseball team is hitting 250. Does that make him an all star? Nah, it just means your the best hotter on a bad team. There are no big boxing super Tara's who can command a consistent 1 mil ppv buy like tyson, Oscar, Floyd and pac. Just because some Mexican fans boys are happy about this fight doesn't mean it will translate to big sells across the board because most non Mexicans couldn't care less about this fight.

[filup79]

Floyd vs Cotto drew 1.5m ppvs generated 94m
Floyd vs Canelo drew 2.2m ppvs generated 150m

Cotto vs Geale drew 1.5m TV viewers 12k attendance (couldn't sell out Barclays)
Canelo vs Kirkland drew 2.2m TV Viewers 31k attendance (filled up a baseball field)

But you trying to tell me Canelo wasn't the A side responsible for Canelo vs Cotto drawing 900k? Dude you embarrassing yourself. No matter how you try and twist the numbers Canelo is the biggest draw today and you can't count on 1 hand fighters who are a bigger draw then Chavez. When GGG once again struggles to even sell 100k ppvs you will make BS excuses why that is somehow great but when Canelo/Chavez threaten to hit 1m PPV you will be here making more bogus excuses to hate on Canelo.

You do know that the only reason Canelo/Kirkland had all those views was because it came after the Floyd/Manny PPV replay. Just like Spence got over 6 mil views because of the Olympics. In regards to Canelo filling up a stadium with more attendance than the Cotto fight, it makes no difference if the revenue made is the same. Canelo can sell over 50,000 at Cowboy Stadium and yet Floyds fights in Vegas in a smaller arena generate more money.

[Boxing Logic]

Because his eye? Hahaha the guy is limited and have bad defense, and is a fuc.kin quitter. Look Miura vs Vargas or Salido vs Mikey.

He does have bad defense but he also has a great chin that held up. It was his eye that got hurt vs DSG not because of a punch, but getting laced, and then the same eye got hurt by a punch from Postol, but clearly it was already weakened from the DSG glove lace in their fight.

I'm just saying DSG beating Matthysse doesn't mean as much as you think on paper, because he was actually losing before he laced Matthysse's eye. And as for Matthysse, he looks like he's been KO'd and now he's done, but he didn't actually get KO'd. He broke his eye again and stayed down for his health.

[Robi13]

I'm not debating if Canelo vs Chavez will sell more on ppv than ggg vs Jacobs. It will, but not because it's a better match up. It's because the Mexican fan base you refer to are gullible and willing to buy it even though it's another cheap attempt by Oscar to keep Canelo away from ggg. I'm a boxing fan that prefers to see the best matches get made and finances aside, Canelo vs chavez Jr is a scam of a fight just like the khan fight. If you know boxing you'd agree. Yes I understand what golden boy is trying to do, it's just annoying that there aren't enough real fans to deter him from doing it and actually try to argue in favor of the very thing that is killing boxing. Canelo has had his ppv numbers drop the last 2 fights and while Canelo vs Chavez Jr will sell more than his last fight, I still don't think the Mexican fan base is fully going to get behind this enough to sell 1 mil. I'm not from Mexico but from what I've heard and read, neither of these 2 guys are really loved the way past Mexican fighters were. It's the fan boys that get their panties wet over Canelo but most true boxing fans aren't happy over what's been going on.

I see your point, and I like you would like to see the best fight the best... Like you say, finances aside, ggg has his offer for sept. I don't care about the money, he needs to sign right?

[bigdunny1]

You do know that the only reason Canelo/Kirkland had all those views was because it came after the Floyd/Manny PPV replay. Just like Spence got over 6 mil views because of the Olympics. In regards to Canelo filling up a stadium with more attendance than the Cotto fight, it makes no difference if the revenue made is the same. Canelo can sell over 50,000 at Cowboy Stadium and yet Floyds fights in Vegas in a smaller arena generate more money.

BS check the ratings Canelo drew far more then the Floyd replay. If it were because of the replay then the ratings would of dropped NOT skyrocked for Canelo fight. where as Olympics drew far better ratings before and after the spence aired comparing it to canelo is just ****** the opposite happened. FYI Floyd replay was also replayed on Showtime at the same time followed by an exclusive interview with floyd and documentary crap which went head to head with the Canelo fight. Want to guess how terrible those Showtime ratings were for their replay and the Floyd interview? Why because everyone was too busy watching Canelo's fight rather then watch a replay of a terrible fight that EVERYONE already paid to see or hear floyd talk about it.

[Robi13]

Lame how ggg fan boys stay on canelos forums to talk trash lol! Stay on ggg's lages LAMES!

[rrayvez]

Floyd vs Cotto drew 1.5m ppvs generated 94m
Floyd vs Canelo drew 2.2m ppvs generated 150m

Cotto vs Geale drew 1.5m TV viewers 12k attendance (couldn't sell out Barclays)
Canelo vs Kirkland drew 2.2m TV Viewers 31k attendance (filled up a baseball field)

But you trying to tell me Canelo wasn't the A side responsible for Canelo vs Cotto drawing 900k? Dude you embarrassing yourself. No matter how you try and twist the numbers Canelo is the biggest draw today and you can't count on 1 hand fighters who are a bigger draw then Chavez. When GGG once again struggles to even sell 100k ppvs you will make BS excuses why that is somehow great but when Canelo/Chavez threaten to hit 1m PPV you will be here making more bogus excuses to hate on Canelo.

There are several other factors that impact viewership just like the other guy mentioned regarding Canelo vs Kirkland being on as part of the Floyd vs pac replay. As far as their ppvs vs Floyd, cotto vs Floyd had a Co main event if Canelo vs an old washed up mosley. Good names but boxing fans had no interest in that fight. Floyd vs Canelo had Danny Garcia vs Lucas mathysse as a Co main event which at the time was 1 of the top 3 fights that could be made in boxing. Pretty sure that helped viewership. As far as who was the A side between cotto and Canelo when they fought, it's simple to figure out. it's the guy who was fighting on ppv while the other was still in middle school, it's the guy who earned 5 times more money in the fight than the other one, it's the guy who's name was first on the promotion. It'd be different if there were a rematch but at the time of the fight, Canelo was the b side to cotto.

[bigdunny1]

you're making irrelevant comparisons. I'm comparing Mexican American fighters to Mexicans and you're talking about Argentines and fighters from Canada and khazitsktan. Different types of boxing fan bases. I've watched boxing since the early days of ppv so you're not telling me anything new. My original point of 2 Mexicans from Mexico have never sold anywhere near a Mil holds true and it will still hold true after this fight. As far as your point about stats, again, Canelo is not the star Floyd or pac were and Chavez again hasn't done anything in yrs. Canelo may be the biggest current name but that doesn't mean he had the same status as past ppv stars. Selling 290k isn't great. Golden boy predicted 1 mil vs khan and ended up in the 400s. Since you wanna make baseball comparisons, of the best hitter on a baseball team is hitting 250. Does that make him an all star? Nah, it just means your the best hotter on a bad team. There are no big boxing super Tara's who can command a consistent 1 mil ppv buy like tyson, Oscar, Floyd and pac. Just because some Mexican fans boys are happy about this fight doesn't mean it will translate to big sells across the board because most non Mexicans couldn't care less about this fight.

I'm telling you it don't matter where the fighter comes from. Manny was one of the biggest draws ever and he wasn't american. And Sergio vs Chavez drew more PPVs then any recent fight not involving Floyd, Manny or Canelo despite neither of them speaking english. Canelo is the biggest draw despite not speaking english and your only leg to stand on is he's not the draw Floyd is? Ok agree but he drew more PPVs then Manny did last year and is now clearly the biggest draw until Floyd once in a lifetime fighter who is 40 comes out of retirement. And again you picking and choosing what PPVs to ignore like Canelo doing 900k against Cotto or 2.2m with Floyd or 600K against Khan. Even his worst PPV is double the PPVs everyone other then Manny is generating right now. You just sound ****** one post defending guys like GGG barely drawing 100K ppvs and then nit picking Canelo because while being the biggest draw he isn't drawing at the historic level of Floyd. One you are holding to a one in a lifetime draw and the other you make excuses when they flop doing less then 150K. If Chavez fights Lemieux right now on HBO PPV it would draw more then what GGG drew with him. You still can't name the fighters who are more proven draw then Chavez and the reason you can't is there are so few and Canelo is the top draw in all of boxing. It burns your soul your hatred for Canelo got you acting emotional like girl deep down you know this fight will sell and when the PPVs come in and they are huge you will try your best to downplay them while defending GGG's next PPV flop.

[bigdunny1]

There are several other factors that impact viewership just like the other guy mentioned regarding Canelo vs Kirkland being on as part of the Floyd vs pac replay. As far as their ppvs vs Floyd, cotto vs Floyd had a Co main event if Canelo vs an old washed up mosley. Good names but boxing fans had no interest in that fight. Floyd vs Canelo had Danny Garcia vs Lucas mathysse as a Co main event which at the time was 1 of the top 3 fights that could be made in boxing. Pretty sure that helped viewership. As far as who was the A side between cotto and Canelo when they fought, it's simple to figure out. it's the guy who was fighting on ppv while the other was still in middle school, it's the guy who earned 5 times more money in the fight than the other one, it's the guy who's name was first on the promotion. It'd be different if there were a rematch but at the time of the fight, Canelo was the b side to cotto.

I already poked holes in trying to discredit Canelo's ratings that HBO hasn't seen in what almost a decade. But ok even if you put aside the ratings that make you look ****** how many tickets did Cotto sell against Geale and how many did Canelo sell? Canelo almost tripled him up in attendance and MORE then double in live gate revenue from what Cotto drew off ticket sales. And if Cotto really is the bigger draw then he should easily outsell Canelo's recent ppvs with his upcomming fight right? Yet nobody is even talking about his ppv, nobody is expecting it to do anywhere near even Smith Canelo's WORST PPV and he is fighting kirkland canelo's leftovers in the Cowboys small practice facility. If he was the bigger draw why ain't he fighting in Cowboy Stadium like Canelo did? Why hasn't Cotto EVER fought at Cowboy stadium even in his prime?

And I never said Canelo made more money in their fight I said he was the bigger draw! Cotto made more money because he sold his HOF resume and belt to Canelo and got a boat load of cash from Roc Nation who took the the same deal Top Rank worked out with Golden Boy. But Roc Nation came in and paid him extra money out of their own pocket to steal him away from Top Rank. Great deal for Cotto but ****** for Roc Nation. And if we just going by who got paid more jacobs and Quillin both got paid more the year GGG fought Lemiuex so does that mean Jacbos was a bigger fan draw then GGG? Or does that just mean Haymon paid Jacobs more then K2 paid GGG. Facts are facts both Canelo/Cotto fought Floyd and which one broke at the time the alltime record for PPV revenue? Both fight on HBO in tuneups who fought in packed baseball park with double the TV ratings while the other one filled up half of a basketball arena?