Comments Thread For: Canelo-Chavez: Big Promotional Tour on Tap, Big Undercard Plans

[rrayvez]

I'm telling you it don't matter where the fighter comes from. Manny was one of the biggest draws ever and he wasn't american. And Sergio vs Chavez drew more PPVs then any recent fight not involving Floyd, Manny or Canelo despite neither of them speaking english. Canelo is the biggest draw despite not speaking english and your only leg to stand on is he's not the draw Floyd is? Ok agree but he drew more PPVs then Manny did last year and is now clearly the biggest draw until Floyd once in a lifetime fighter who is 40 comes out of retirement. And again you picking and choosing what PPVs to ignore like Canelo doing 900k against Cotto or 2.2m with Floyd or 600K against Khan. Even his worst PPV is double the PPVs everyone other then Manny is generating right now. You just sound ****** one post defending guys like GGG barely drawing 100K ppvs and then nit picking Canelo because while being the biggest draw he isn't drawing at the historic level of Floyd. One you are holding to a one in a lifetime draw and the other you make excuses when they flop doing less then 150K. If Chavez fights Lemieux right now on HBO PPV it would draw more then what GGG drew with him. You still can't name the fighters who are more proven draw then Chavez and the reason you can't is there are so few and Canelo is the top draw in all of boxing. It burns your soul your hatred for Canelo got you acting emotional like girl deep down you know this fight will sell and when the PPVs come in and they are huge you will try your best to downplay them while defending GGG's next PPV flop.

I'm merely stating facts but honestly I'm tired of debating with you. Canelo vs Chavez will not draw anywhere near a Mil. Just because you and some other Mexican fan boys cream in their pants over Canelo vs Chavez doesn't make it a superfight. All your Chavez defenses are from 5 plus yrs ago. That's an eternity in boxing. Nobody has cared about him since he bombed vs Martinez and excited not to show up until the last 30 seconds. He's tested positive for illegal substances, trains in his living room, quits on his stool and you think he still has the same appeal as the guy who beat Andy Lee?? The guys last fight wasn't even on TV. Funny how you say Floyd is a once in a lifetime fighter but I mentioned 3 other stars who put up bigger numbers than Canelo. Hell, hardly anyone cares about pac anymore since the Floyd fiasco and his non hbo promoted fight vs Jesse vargas drew more ppvs than canelos last fight. Bottom line is if you weren't Mexican, you wouldn't support Canelo and these last 3 garbage fights he's had. With everyone else, his credibility has taken a hit and most people don't care to see him fight anyone until it's ggg.

[Eastcoast]

I know with the site fee from MGM, and the overhead fee's for AT&T Stadium, that Vegas likely makes more money, but there's way more energy from the fans if they take this to Dallas.

[rrayvez]

I already poked holes in trying to discredit Canelo's ratings that HBO hasn't seen in what almost a decade. But ok even if you put aside the ratings that make you look ****** how many tickets did Cotto sell against Geale and how many did Canelo sell? Canelo almost tripled him up in attendance and MORE then double in live gate revenue from what Cotto drew off ticket sales. And if Cotto really is the bigger draw then he should easily outsell Canelo's recent ppvs with his upcomming fight right? Yet nobody is even talking about his ppv, nobody is expecting it to do anywhere near even Smith Canelo's WORST PPV and he is fighting kirkland canelo's leftovers in the Cowboys small practice facility. If he was the bigger draw why ain't he fighting in Cowboy Stadium like Canelo did? Why hasn't Cotto EVER fought at Cowboy stadium even in his prime?

And I never said Canelo made more money in their fight I said he was the bigger draw! Cotto made more money because he sold his HOF resume and belt to Canelo and got a boat load of cash from Roc Nation who took the the same deal Top Rank worked out with Golden Boy. But Roc Nation came in and paid him extra money out of their own pocket to steal him away from Top Rank. Great deal for Cotto but ****** for Roc Nation. And if we just going by who got paid more jacobs and Quillin both got paid more the year GGG fought Lemiuex so does that mean Jacbos was a bigger fan draw then GGG? Or does that just mean Haymon paid Jacobs more then K2 paid GGG. Facts are facts both Canelo/Cotto fought Floyd and which one broke at the time the alltime record for PPV revenue? Both fight on HBO in tuneups who fought in packed baseball park with double the TV ratings while the other one filled up half of a basketball arena?

your arguments are so ridiculous. You're comparing live gate from a stadium to live gate at an arena? Without getting into the math of it, if you have 3 times as much seating and can sell way more tickets for lower prices, you'll get a larger attendance and more gate money. It's impossible to make the same amount at msg than what it is at cowboy Stadium. As to why cotto never fougut at Cowboys Stadium, are you aware of demographics? Texas = Mexicans hence Mexicans will draw there. Sort of why cotto would fight at msg in NY where there are Puerto Ricans. No puerto Ricans on Texas means low attendance.

[bigdunny1]

I'm merely stating facts but honestly I'm tired of debating with you. Canelo vs Chavez will not draw anywhere near a Mil. Just because you and some other Mexican fan boys cream in their pants over Canelo vs Chavez doesn't make it a superfight. All your Chavez defenses are from 5 plus yrs ago. That's an eternity in boxing. Nobody has cared about him since he bombed vs Martinez and excited not to show up until the last 30 seconds. He's tested positive for illegal substances, trains in his living room, quits on his stool and you think he still has the same appeal as the guy who beat Andy Lee?? The guys last fight wasn't even on TV. Funny how you say Floyd is a once in a lifetime fighter but I mentioned 3 other stars who put up bigger numbers than Canelo. Hell, hardly anyone cares about pac anymore since the Floyd fiasco and his non hbo promoted fight vs Jesse vargas drew more ppvs than canelos last fight. Bottom line is if you weren't Mexican, you wouldn't support Canelo and these last 3 garbage fights he's had. With everyone else, his credibility has taken a hit and most people don't care to see him fight anyone until it's ggg.

First off I'm not Mexican you idiot I'm black. But according to your dumb azzz even though Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing if your not Mexican you can't possible care about Canelo. WRONG. Second not 5 years ago Chavez was the biggest TV draw in boxing 2 1/2 years ago. Even AFTER he lost to Sergio, after he trained in his living room, after he tested positive for weed ect he still was the a bigger TV draw then anyone else fighting on HBO or Showtime including your girl friend GGG. For the last time the only reason his last fights dipped was because Haymon foolished brought him to Showtime when they are in free fall with ratings. If his last fights were still on HBO he is drawing over 1m viewers. Hell you take GGG and put him on Showtime right now he probably doesn't even do 600k viewers. showtime lost half their viewership which has nothing to do with Chavez. His last fight was in Mexico because PBC going broke can't afford to pay him that's why he's running to HBO and Canelo for a payday. You want to say it was ****** for him to leave Top Rank/HBO and sign with Haymon that's fair. But fact remains he's proven to be more a draw then GGG who barely cracked 100K ppv buys and him going back to HBO will sell a ton of PPVs. But again you will keep trying to spin 100k as good if it comes from lil GGG but Canelo doing multiple times that is bad just makes you look ******! Khan fight did 600K and Chavez is a bigger name and draw then Khan so this fight will definitely do more then that. Maybe not 1m but close and you will just continue sounding like a bitter female about it. LMAO

[rrayvez]

First off I'm not Mexican you idiot I'm black. But according to your dumb azzz even though Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing if your not Mexican you can't possible care about Canelo. WRONG. Second not 5 years ago Chavez was the biggest TV draw in boxing 2 1/2 years ago. Even AFTER he lost to Sergio, after he trained in his living room, after he tested positive for weed ect he still was the a bigger TV draw then anyone else fighting on HBO or Showtime including your girl friend GGG. For the last time the only reason his last fights dipped was because Haymon foolished brought him to Showtime when they are in free fall with ratings. If his last fights were still on HBO he is drawing over 1m viewers. Hell you take GGG and put him on Showtime right now he probably doesn't even do 600k viewers. showtime lost half their viewership which has nothing to do with Chavez. His last fight was in Mexico because PBC going broke can't afford to pay him that's why he's running to HBO and Canelo for a payday. You want to say it was ****** for him to leave Top Rank/HBO and sign with Haymon that's fair. But fact remains he's proven to be more a draw then GGG who barely cracked 100K ppv buys and him going back to HBO will sell a ton of PPVs. But again you will keep trying to spin 100k as good if it comes from lil GGG but Canelo doing multiple times that is bad just makes you look ******! Khan fight did 600K and Chavez is a bigger name and draw then Khan so this fight will definitely do more then that. Maybe not 1m but close and you will just continue sounding like a bitter female about it. LMAO

the fact that you're not Mexican and support Canelo with such passion either makes you ****** or you just have a plain place Man crush. No self respecting boxing fan supports what he's done since the cotto fight. I'm not bitter I just don't like bit*ch moves by guys who claim to be the best fighter in the world. If you're in favor of that then that's on you. Canelo didn't sell 600k vs khan, do the research and figure out why everyone else reports it's in the 400s and after golden boy said just under 600k, they then refused to release the official numbers. Can you figure out why or are you not smart enough? Chavez Jr isn't running to hbo as you say, they're reluctantly allowing his lazy a$$ to return to ve a sacrificial lamb and will never be heard from on the network again. You keep talking about showtime vs hbo as of its 1999,but the fact is over the past several yrs, showtime has become very competitive with hbo and has often put out better fight cards. It's not at the same level but it's not the disparity it once was. Last time, Canelo vs Chavez Jr won't break 600k.

[batista84]

So Canelo was desperate to regain the Mexican ppv dates from mayweather and the best they can come up with for 5 de mayo weekend was Canelo vs khan last yr and now this? Pathetic. It's like going from watching the Super bowl to the arena league championship.

Dude listen, I'm the biggest Mayweather fan on here, I love how masterful he was at boxing, but being honest I rather watch GGG or Canelo fights, those dudes are about hurting his opponent.

So not everyone thinks like U, honestly I rather pay less money to watch a Chavez Jr vs Canelo on a huuuge event packed with thousand screaming fans and blood and exchanges than watching Mayweather put on a clinic and win a ud only on points.

Just sayin'

[rrayvez]

Dude listen, I'm the biggest Mayweather fan on here, I love how masterful he was at boxing, but being honest I rather watch GGG or Canelo fights, those dudes are about hurting his opponent.

So not everyone thinks like U, honestly I rather pay less money to watch a Chavez Jr vs Canelo on a huuuge event packed with thousand screaming fans and blood and exchanges than watching Mayweather put on a clinic and win a ud only on points.

Just sayin'

everyone has preferences, mine is that if may and Sept are supposed to be the 2 biggest boxing ppv dates of the yr, I'd rather see the supposed biggest draw in the sport take on fighters more credible than amir khan, beefy Smith and a weight drained inactive Chavez Jr who's 2 fights removed from quitting on his stool. He should be fighting ggg and anything less after all this time shouldn't be acceptable to most real boxing fans.

[batista84]

[QUOTE=rrayvez;17367645]

don't watch the fight then. Boxing will not stop because you disagree with certain matchups. The fight has the hype behind it to sell over 90,000 tickets if in Dallas and sell over 1 million in PPV buys, what doesn't make sense to you. You want Canelo to fight Billy Saunders or Lemiuex? Canelo will fight GGG in September .He's a prize fighter and he's stacking up money like he should be doing. Do I agree with the fight? not really but im curious to see what it can be if Chavez comes in motivated. This fight is a business move with entertainment value.[/QUOTE 1 mil in ppvs? Pretty lofty expectations. It won't come anywhere near that. When have 2 mexicans ever sold 1 mil on ppv? Even the most popular Mexican vs most popular Mexican American Chavez vs delaHoya didn't come anywhere near a mil. Cotto is more of a draw than Chavez Jr has ever been and he and Canelo drew 900k. Also when you consider Chavez hasn't done anything relevant in over 5 yrs and quit on his stool a couple of fights back, I can't see there being 1 million gullible fools willing to buy into this.

I'm just tellin u this because I live in Mexico City, this fight has made every newspaper headline or tvspot, article, internet article, twitter activity, etc. This fight has made noise like no one ever here, not even Canelo vs Mayweather made that much noise because every ****ing one in this country knows who Canelo and Chavez Jr. is.

So beleiveme amongst Mexicans this thing is on another level, Being honest,my prediction is 800,000 but I really think this thing can go up to almost 1 million with the right promotion, time will tell how far or close we were on our predictions.

[batista84]

everyone has preferences, mine is that if may and Sept are supposed to be the 2 biggest boxing ppv dates of the yr, I'd rather see the supposed biggest draw in the sport take on fighters more credible than amir khan, beefy Smith and a weight drained inactive Chavez Jr who's 2 fights removed from quitting on his stool. He should be fighting ggg and anything less after all this time shouldn't be acceptable to most real boxing fans.

Can't argue with that because that's the fight everyone wants to see, but De La Hoya said that fight was gonna be made on Sep and not before.

Now that Canelo is going to SMW, he doesn't have that weight excuse enaymore, it's now all about tha money, I'm possitive the fight gets made on Sep.