Comments Thread For: Canelo-Chavez: Big Promotional Tour on Tap, Big Undercard Plans

[Robi13]

oh really, it was part of his contract? Interesting when you consider his hbo fight vs Kirkland took place after 5 de mayo weekend, not on it and his hbo ppv fight vs cotto was in November, not Sept. He got the dates because mayweather retired, not because of any demand or contract. His ppv numbers are nothing to get excited about when he's the a side. He hasn't cracked half a Mil yet as the A side. As far as the wbo belt and being mandatory, very interesting how that's all of a sudden important to them. They had the higher regarded Mexican based wbc belt and gave it away like it was nothing. Now all of a sudden the Puerto Rican based wbo title was a priority?? He chose beefy because he was the weakest champ in the division. They didn't wanna pick either Charlo brother or go with Lara again so they chose the weak link. Yeah, GBP know what they're doing but not in the way you're implying. It's blatantly the route of least resistance. But I guess you can't see that.

I see clear and I never stated it was part of the contract but being that he was fighting on showtime on mayweathers ppv undercard, he left for the same reason, to headline at some pint on those dates. If mayweather comes back. He may try and fight on those dates but guess what, so would Canelo. And I rather see Canelo fight then money because it's more entertaining. Just my opinion.

[bigdunny1]

1. Oscar and vargas aren't an example of 2 mexicans who drew 1 mil. They're 2 American Olympians who are bilingual who drew close to 1 mil. Big difference from 2 mexicans from Mexico who don't speak English. They don't have the same cross over appeal. 2. Not sure what you're talking about regarding Oscar vs Chavez 2 not being during a ppv time ,tyson was already selling millions in ppv we'll before then. 3. It's a fact that cotto has been a bigger draw than Chavez Jr. Cotto is the highest selling ppv fighter of the recent era behind Floyd and pac. As far as their numbers vs martinez, it's completely different scenarios. Chavez vs Martinez was when Chavez Jr was undefeated and Sergio was an active mw champion. When cotto fought Martinez he was only 1 fight removed from back to back loses and Martinez was coming off a yr layoff and injury. There was more intrigue to the Chavez vs Martinez fight but again, what has Chavez done since 2012 to make this fight vs Canelo intriguing? 4. what do I care about ggg seeing money? Has nothing to do with my bank account which is why I don't get all these Canelo fans backing his lame fight choices with money excuses as if they see $1 of that. Canelo makes more money in a ppv fight vs ggg than he has in his last 2 fights combined so I don't know why he keeps dragging this fight out. Well , obviously he's dragging the fight out because he wants lesser competition guys like khan, beefy and Chavez as opposed to someone who'd ko him, but he's making less $ in the process.

What does it matter if they Mexican American or mexican? And only an idiot thinks Oscar vargas was a bigger fight then Oscar chavez. The difference is ppv started in the early 90s and kept growing in boxing and exploded in the 2000s. The dynamics in boxing changed for better or worse because of PPV. There were more ppvs, and bigger ppv buys in the 2000s because it. 4 of of the top 5 of the all time ppv buys are in the 2000s. Do you think that's a coincidence or that there were no big fights in boxing history before 2000?

And you sound dumb saying canelo the biggest draw in boxing and chavez don't have cross over appeal. Chavez was the highest TV draw in boxing before he left hbo. And canelo is part of the second highest grossing ppv of all time only Manny Floyd grossed more. And sold the most ppvs in boxing last year more then manny. His first non ppv fight in years drew 2.2m live viewers on HBO more then they have done in years and double their highest ratings woth anyone else today. Sold 900k ppvs against cotto. At a time when guys like GGG draw only 150k, ward/kovalev draw 160k. He's by far the biggest draw of anyone unless Floyd comes out of retirement. And chavez draws 1.4m viewers against bums on hbo even after losing to sergio. His TV ratings are only down because showtime is a sinking ship. If his last fights were on HBO he is drawing as much or more then GGG does. So unless you admitting that GGG has no appeal chavez has proven to be a bigger draw in his career then GGG ever has.

[Robi13]

oh really, it was part of his contract? Interesting when you consider his hbo fight vs Kirkland took place after 5 de mayo weekend, not on it and his hbo ppv fight vs cotto was in November, not Sept. He got the dates because mayweather retired, not because of any demand or contract. His ppv numbers are nothing to get excited about when he's the a side. He hasn't cracked half a Mil yet as the A side. As far as the wbo belt and being mandatory, very interesting how that's all of a sudden important to them. They had the higher regarded Mexican based wbc belt and gave it away like it was nothing. Now all of a sudden the Puerto Rican based wbo title was a priority?? He chose beefy because he was the weakest champ in the division. They didn't wanna pick either Charlo brother or go with Lara again so they chose the weak link. Yeah, GBP know what they're doing but not in the way you're implying. It's blatantly the route of least resistance. But I guess you can't see that.

also, to add to this, Canelo already fought Lara so your comment on him choosing the easiest opponent in beefy is lame. He fought to get exposure in Europe, have the chance to be mando of the only belt ggg doesn't have, and do it also to prove that 54 is no problem. Stop with all your bs bro you ain't fooling no one

[Robi13]

What does it matter if they Mexican American or mexican? And only an idiot thinks Oscar vargas was a bigger fight then Oscar chavez. The difference is ppv started in the early 90s and kept growing in boxing and exploded in the 2000s. The dynamics in boxing changed for better or worse because of PPV. There were more ppvs, and bigger ppv buys in the 2000s because it. 4 of of the top 5 of the all time ppv buys are in the 2000s. Do you think that's a coincidence or that there were no big fights in boxing history before 2000?

And you sound dumb saying canelo the biggest draw in boxing and chavez don't have cross over appeal. Chavez was the highest TV draw in boxing before he left hbo. And canelo is part of the second highest grossing ppv of all time only Manny Floyd grossed more. And sold the most ppvs in boxing last year more then manny. His first non ppv fight in years drew 2.2m live viewers on HBO more then they have done in years and double their highest ratings woth anyone else today. Sold 900k ppvs against cotto. At a time when guys like GGG draw only 150k, ward/kovalev draw 160k. He's by far the biggest draw of anyone unless Floyd comes out of retirement. And chavez draws 1.4m viewers against bums on hbo even after losing to sergio. His TV ratings are only down because showtime is a sinking ship. If his last fights were on HBO he is drawing as much or more then GGG does. So unless you admitting that GGG has no appeal chavez has proven to be a bigger draw in his career then GGG ever has.

Mayweathers numbers were driven by people who wanted to see him lose. He ran out of opponents, he wasn't going to sell anymore that's why he retired. If he comes back. I won't be watching unless it's against someone that may have a chance to beat him. I don't really like his style but he is a smart man, got under people's skins to sell and make himself ****** rich.

[rrayvez]

Honestly bro, how many times do I need to tell you that Lil g has a $15 mil offer on the table @ the full 160 lbs limit for September... if he refuses to sign on the dotted line it's on lil g not Cashnelo. Fine, we get it you don't like Cashnelo, that's cool then don't watch his fights continue watching that bum crusher lil g. I'm sure there's more welterweights and house arrest felons he can fight, lol

What does ggg being offered a fight for 15 mil in Sept have to do with this being a bs fight and Canelo fighting c level guys on Mexican holidays?

[rrayvez]

What does it matter if they Mexican American or mexican? And only an idiot thinks Oscar vargas was a bigger fight then Oscar chavez. The difference is ppv started in the early 90s and kept growing in boxing and exploded in the 2000s. The dynamics in boxing changed for better or worse because of PPV. There were more ppvs, and bigger ppv buys in the 2000s because it. 4 of of the top 5 of the all time ppv buys are in the 2000s. Do you think that's a coincidence or that there were no big fights in boxing history before 2000?

And you sound dumb saying canelo the biggest draw in boxing and chavez don't have cross over appeal. Chavez was the highest TV draw in boxing before he left hbo. And canelo is part of the second highest grossing ppv of all time only Manny Floyd grossed more. And sold the most ppvs in boxing last year more then manny. His first non ppv fight in years drew 2.2m live viewers on HBO more then they have done in years and double their highest ratings woth anyone else today. Sold 900k ppvs against cotto. At a time when guys like GGG draw only 150k, ward/kovalev draw 160k. He's by far the biggest draw of anyone unless Floyd comes out of retirement. And chavez draws 1.4m viewers against bums on hbo even after losing to sergio. His TV ratings are only down because showtime is a sinking ship. If his last fights were on HBO he is drawing as much or more then GGG does. So unless you admitting that GGG has no appeal chavez has proven to be a bigger draw in his career then GGG ever has.

1. it matters if they are Mexican vs Mexican American because of the crossover appeal. Why do you think promotors try to get Spanish speaking fighters to learn English?? 2. As far as whether vargas vs Oscar was bigger than Oscar vs Chavez, it's debatable. Oscar was still up and coming when he fought Chavez and Chavez was already on a clear decline. Oscar vs vargas was 2 young in their prime star fighters who had a known history of real conflict. Again they were both American Olympians so that helped their appeal. I didn't say that Canelo and Chavez don't have cross over appeal, I said it's not the same as when you have 2 fighters who can speak English and Spanish like Oscar and vargas did. 3. Yeah, Canelo has done good ppv numbers... As the B side. And you're overestimating Chavez jrs appeal and the impact of him having a sinking ship career for several yrs now. As far as gggs appeal, it hasn't shown on ppv sales yet but since it's the most demanded fight it boxing it will sell. Trinidad had no ppv appeal before fighting Oscar but because it became known that him vs Oscar could be the biggest fight made in boxing at the time, the ppv went on to set a record. It'll be similar with Canelo and ggg. It'll sell because it's a fight that's in high demand.

[rrayvez]

also, to add to this, Canelo already fought Lara so your comment on him choosing the easiest opponent in beefy is lame. He fought to get exposure in Europe, have the chance to be mando of the only belt ggg doesn't have, and do it also to prove that 54 is no problem. Stop with all your bs bro you ain't fooling no one

Yeah Canelo fought Lara and didn't win convincingly. A rematch would sell more than what he did vs beefy. Would it not? Are the Charlos a bigger threat than beefy, yes or no? And you really think him fighting beefy exposed him to a UK market that he hadn't already been exposed to when he fought guys like Floyd and cotto?? Yeah ok. You're the one with the bs excuses. Try finding 1 regular boxing fan that's not a Mexican Canelo fan boy to agree with you that Canelo /golden boy aren't purposely trying to drag out a fight with ggg while fighting low risk opponents in the meantime.

[Robi13]

Yeah Canelo fought Lara and didn't win convincingly. A rematch would sell more than what he did vs beefy. Would it not? Are the Charlos a bigger threat than beefy, yes or no? And you really think him fighting beefy exposed him to a UK market that he hadn't already been exposed to when he fought guys like Floyd and cotto?? Yeah ok. You're the one with the bs excuses. Try finding 1 regular boxing fan that's not a Mexican Canelo fan boy to agree with you that Canelo /golden boy aren't purposely trying to drag out a fight with ggg while fighting low risk opponents in the meantime.

Lara, he ran all night vs Canelo and hurt his own chances of a rematch. He did that not Canelo. All your questions I can ask to you and we both don't know. What we do know is what I previously stated already. He fought beefy for plenty of reasons, and guess what, whether you like it or not, Mexicans are the fan base that but more ppvs. You will see with Canelo va Chavez. As opposed to ggg vs Jacobs. According to you, Canelo Chavez is a bs fight and I'm only guessing you think the better math is ggg vs Jacobs... Ok, let's see who sells more, and oh not to mention ggg will have chocolatito in his undercard. Still won't be enough

[bigdunny1]

1. it matters if they are Mexican vs Mexican American because of the crossover appeal. Why do you think promotors try to get Spanish speaking fighters to learn English?? 2. As far as whether vargas vs Oscar was bigger than Oscar vs Chavez, it's debatable. Oscar was still up and coming when he fought Chavez and Chavez was already on a clear decline. Oscar vs vargas was 2 young in their prime star fighters who had a known history of real conflict. Again they were both American Olympians so that helped their appeal. I didn't say that Canelo and Chavez don't have cross over appeal, I said it's not the same as when you have 2 fighters who can speak English and Spanish like Oscar and vargas did. 3. Yeah, Canelo has done good ppv numbers... As the B side. And you're overestimating Chavez jrs appeal and the impact of him having a sinking ship career for several yrs now. As far as gggs appeal, it hasn't shown on ppv sales yet but since it's the most demanded fight it boxing it will sell. Trinidad had no ppv appeal before fighting Oscar but because it became known that him vs Oscar could be the biggest fight made in boxing at the time, the ppv went on to set a record. It'll be similar with Canelo and ggg. It'll sell because it's a fight that's in high demand.

Chavez and Sergio both didn't speak english and it sold what 5X the amount of PPVs then GGG vs Lemiuex who both speak english and that didn't help them sell and far more then GGG will do vs Jacobs. We can go down the line thurman vs Porter featured 2 americans and didn't generate even a spec of the money Chavez and Sergio generated or this fight coming up. You have MLB superstars who are cuban or dominican don't speak a lick of english and fans are lining up to buy their jerseys over american ballplayers who speak english. This is 2017 sure speaking english can add more exposure but it doesn't hold you back. Especially in boxing which is so international with so many non american top fighters. This is not a sport that is only dominated by americans where a non english speaker is unusual it's actually very common in boxing and UFC.

and Oscar vs Chavez 1 was bigger and damn sure by the time the rematch occurred Oscar was already a huge star and a much bigger fight then Oscar vs Vargas if you can't admit that you just lying your azzz off. Oscar vs Vargas sold more then both Oscar/Chavez 1 or 2 simply because boxing was more experienced at throwing PPVs, were throwing more PPVs then the early and mid 90's and the dynamic in boxing changed because of PPVs which started in early 90's and exploded in 2000s. Take any big fights in the 90's put it in the 2000's and it generates far more money and larger PPVs. Either you too young to of been a boxing fan through the 90's but I assure there were tons of mega fights big fights didn't just happen for the first time in the 2000s. SMH

If neither Canelo or Chavez have mass appeal name the active fighters today who do? If you can't then you are conceding that this fight features 2 of the biggest draws in boxing which historically means big success at the box office. I've pointed out stats on both guys resumes that almost no other active fighter can say they've done. All you got is they don't speak english LMAO

[rrayvez]

Lara, he ran all night vs Canelo and hurt his own chances of a rematch. He did that not Canelo. All your questions I can ask to you and we both don't know. What we do know is what I previously stated already. He fought beefy for plenty of reasons, and guess what, whether you like it or not, Mexicans are the fan base that but more ppvs. You will see with Canelo va Chavez. As opposed to ggg vs Jacobs. According to you, Canelo Chavez is a bs fight and I'm only guessing you think the better math is ggg vs Jacobs... Ok, let's see who sells more, and oh not to mention ggg will have chocolatito in his undercard. Still won't be enough

I'm not debating if Canelo vs Chavez will sell more on ppv than ggg vs Jacobs. It will, but not because it's a better match up. It's because the Mexican fan base you refer to are gullible and willing to buy it even though it's another cheap attempt by Oscar to keep Canelo away from ggg. I'm a boxing fan that prefers to see the best matches get made and finances aside, Canelo vs chavez Jr is a scam of a fight just like the khan fight. If you know boxing you'd agree. Yes I understand what golden boy is trying to do, it's just annoying that there aren't enough real fans to deter him from doing it and actually try to argue in favor of the very thing that is killing boxing. Canelo has had his ppv numbers drop the last 2 fights and while Canelo vs Chavez Jr will sell more than his last fight, I still don't think the Mexican fan base is fully going to get behind this enough to sell 1 mil. I'm not from Mexico but from what I've heard and read, neither of these 2 guys are really loved the way past Mexican fighters were. It's the fan boys that get their panties wet over Canelo but most true boxing fans aren't happy over what's been going on.