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  • #41
    Originally posted by Deletrious View Post
    Canelo never even negotiated weight before vacating.
    you are right, because ggg used his mandatory tag as leverage to demand 160 which he had the right to within the wbc rules, another reason to vacate and get leverage on that aspect as well. See, vacating was the right move for Canelo on many levels. Wasn't a duck. People just don't see it. Ggg fans blame Canelo for te money offer but the Jacobs ggg fight hasn't happened because ggg team is doing the same t Jacobs that Canelo is doing to ggg... That tells you something... Trend? Ggg team is sorry is what it is

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    • #42
      The good news here is that there is enough money on the table that they would BOTH be half-wits to leave it on the table.

      What's also factual, is that there is a LOT of money on the table, and all we are seeing is the usual negotiating huff and puff that will always happen with these sorts of fights as each side tries to get their slice as big as they can.

      Pretty sure this fight will be made - Canelo's biggest worry is that Jacobs or somebody else beats GGG and all that shiny dosh on the table goes poof.

      In the background, I suspect Canelo wants it more than any of us. Canelo doesn't duck or backdown from anyone, his TEAM does that, and what Canelo needs to do more is put his foot down with De La Hoya and crew and tell them to start effing around with him. They screwed him over with the advice to drop the belt previously, and he screwed up by listening to them. Got the feeling he's having a bigger say in things now, or at least I hope so - enough Mexicans have told him he screwed up with dropping the belt - he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's not ****** either.

      I've said it before, but De La Hoya screwed up by allowing the belt to be on the line in the 155 catch-weight with Cotto. Just think for a second if Canelo's crew insisted that the belt NOT be on the line in that fight, taking the line that 'MW is 160 - why the hell should a fight at 155 be for a MW belt ? Its an insult to boxing. Canelo wants to be the MW king, and he'll do that, but at 160 where the belt belongs'. Then let COTTO be the one to drop the belt and take the heat, while everyone applauds Canelo's stance on the belt issue (including moi). Thats a Bingo.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Robi13 View Post
        you are right, because ggg used his mandatory tag as leverage to demand 160 which he had the right to within the wbc rules, another reason to vacate and get leverage on that aspect as well. See, vacating was the right move for Canelo on many levels. Wasn't a duck. People just don't see it. Ggg fans blame Canelo for te money offer but the Jacobs ggg fight hasn't happened because ggg team is doing the same t Jacobs that Canelo is doing to ggg... That tells you something... Trend? Ggg team is sorry is what it is
        You're spot on that the same dynamic is in play with GGG/Jacobs, and GGG/Canelo, with GGG in a different seat in both negotiations.

        The big difference I think is the amount of money on the table for each. The pot for GGG/Canelo means they can both get a fantastic payday, so GGG angling for as big a slice as he can get.

        The pot for GGG/Jacobs is considerably smaller, and Jacob's demands might not make sense given the pot available (eg Jacobs is refusing the small side of 75/25, where I think GGG would accept teh small side of 75/25 with Canelo)

        Canelo/GGG there is enough where both can get a superb payday, reason it will happen. Might not be the case with GGG/Jacobs.
        Last edited by angkag; 11-29-2016, 01:35 PM.

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        • #44
          GGG should call fishnets bluff and take the $10mil.

          I see people comparing this to the Mayweather/Pacquiao offer. Its far from. Both off those guys were superstars putting up 1mil+ ppv buys alone with 25-30mil+ guarantees each per fight.

          Canelo/GGG is a big fight but nowhere on the scales of May/Pac.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Deletrious View Post
            I think it was pretty clear from context I was referring to the total of purses, including ppv split.

            100 mil purse would be similar to mayweather v. canelo, and I think ggg v. canelo could do that, if you disagree fine. But I have heard no industry expert say GGG should definitely take 10 mil because purses will be x amount and therefore 10 mil is fair.

            Actually you got me looking into it, and Canelo makes far less than I expected per fight. That just strengthens my argument that Canelo doesn't make much more than GGG, he can't make anything close to big money without GGG, and GGG's manager would be a fool to accept 10 mil flat.
            lol thats plain delusional...

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            • #46
              Part of all these negotiations these days seem to be the rematch terms.

              Bet they are interesting too.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Deletrious View Post
                The flat 10 mil is a non-offer, no boxing expert has said that it is credible. It sounds like a lot to fans, but it's basically what Golovkin can make in two fights normally. Whereas, if the fight makes 100 mil, Canelo now has a 9/1 split, and is making 6 fights worth of money.
                9/1 is a ludicous split, any manager representing GGG would be guilty of professional malpractice to accept 10 mil of such a huge pot.

                Both fighters should, and easily can, make far more than they would in a normal fight. GGG could agree to take the small side of a 75/25 split, and do far better than 10 mil.

                Frankly, Canelo has no where to go but through GGG. He's already damaged his career according to JMM, and Mexican fans will abandon a coward, i.e. Chavez Jr. Therefore GGG has leverage to demand a decent split.

                It's not really whether GGG should take short money for the fame (why not fight for a dollar then?) but that no competent manager should or would allow him to do so.
                100 million? come on guys u do see the ppv market dying right?

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Robi13 View Post
                  by vacating he also gained leverage in negotiations. It was a business move. Not a duck. Ggg ducked by not accepting 155... It can go both ways. Ggg has no say in negotiations at all. None. Fight was offered to ggg and it still hasn't been made. Ggg fault no one else's.
                  Believe that if u like... The insiders and experts know the facts - Canelo is avoiding GGG.

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                  • #49
                    Fraudverez is just that, a fraud... even the people in Mexico don't like him he's the most unpopular fighter in Mexico and that's a fact.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Deletrious View Post
                      The flat 10 mil is a non-offer, no boxing expert has said that it is credible. It sounds like a lot to fans, but it's basically what Golovkin can make in two fights normally. Whereas, if the fight makes 100 mil, Canelo now has a 9/1 split, and is making 6 fights worth of money.
                      9/1 is a ludicous split, any manager representing GGG would be guilty of professional malpractice to accept 10 mil of such a huge pot.

                      Both fighters should, and easily can, make far more than they would in a normal fight. GGG could agree to take the small side of a 75/25 split, and do far better than 10 mil.

                      Frankly, Canelo has no where to go but through GGG. He's already damaged his career according to JMM, and Mexican fans will abandon a coward, i.e. Chavez Jr. Therefore GGG has leverage to demand a decent split.

                      It's not really whether GGG should take short money for the fame (why not fight for a dollar then?) but that no competent manager should or would allow him to do so.
                      If the fight makes 100 mil Canelo is not getting 90 mil. Where do you come up with that? If it made 70 mil from PPV buys, GB would only take home about 32 mil after HBO and the cable providers take their cut. Add in another $30 mil from revenue and they're only making $62 mil. GB would have to recover the money they spent for putting on the fight and then pay out the fighters for the entire card. So tell me again how is Canelo making $90 mil to GGG's $10 mil?

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