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  • Motorcity Cobra
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    #61
    I've noticed a lot of boxers are saying Ward won and media, who already hate Ward, are saying Kovalev won

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    • JULIEN44
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      #62
      Originally posted by champion4ever
      I guess you meant Andre Ward right? When you quoted "Roy Jones Jr said that Kovalev won, he has (also) no reason to lie or discredit his performance or achievements in the ring".. Well that is besides the point. Kostya Tszyu had been the first Russian to my recollection, to have acknowledged that quote "To my great regret. Kovalev lost the fight with Andre Ward".

      Many Americans have already admitted that they thought that Andre Ward had lost the fight to Sergey Kovalev; Including many of the posters here on Non Stop Boxing, Larry Merchant, Stephen A. Smith, Jim Lampley, Harold Lederman and the entire staff at HBO's PPV Boxing to just to name a few. So that isn't news.

      However, what Kostya Tszyu had to say about Kovalev, is something I found very deep and profound because not many of the "Krusher's" compatriots; Including Russian/Eastern European fighters like: Vasyl Lomachenko or Gennady Golovkin had the moral courage of their convictions as to so much as even confess that he didn't do enough in order to justify winning that fight .
      First of all, Kostya Tszyu was TKO'ed !! So he had to think about that lost in a different way. No comparison is relevant (between an home decision lost and a TKO lost).

      Furthermore, that's not a question of "the moral courage of their convictions" or whatever..." because if the fight was in any other neutral place in the world with any neutral judge in the world, Kovalev would have just won that fight widely (116-111). So without doing anything better.

      Now, generally speaking, Kovalev has of course some flaws. But here the problem was only the totally biased scoring.

      If Kovalev was black and Ward a white, racism would be continuously brought up.

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      • devildg
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        #63
        He's right. Except about the part that Ward has "millions of fans"

        more like dozens.

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        • Kigali
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          #64
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          waiting for the experts to tell us that Tszyu is wrong

          I'd like to hear about how Tszyu doesn't know how to score a fight, etc, etc.....
          Tszyu must be a member of the demographic.

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          • -Kev-
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            #65
            Originally posted by boliodogs
            He should mind his own business. I am sure Kovalev and his trainer will study film of the fight and try to do better next time. Meanwhile Kovalev is angry about losing a fight he really won and rightfully so. What boxer in his shoes wouldn't complain?
            Boxing is literally his business and he was asked about the fight by a reporter. You think Tszyu just went out of his way, contacted a reporter to give his take on that fight? LOL

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            • champion4ever
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              #66
              Originally posted by Boxing Logic
              Sounds like Tszyu is jealous of the accolades Kovalev is getting as a Russian. Tszyu even brings up his career to try to say "I was able to work hard and come back after my loss, so unless Kovalev can come back from his 'loss' quote unquote quote, I'm better." Reminds me of Marquez constantly badmouthing Canelo, and when some fighters badmouthed Floyd for reasons that weren't as legit as others.

              Then he contradicts himself about how Ward is an American superstar and "idol of millions" (really? Then why don't they show up to his fights?) so Kovalev had to win 12-0 or whatever. That's an even worse argument than "you have to take it from the champ." The champ thing at least makes sense in terms of a tiebreaker. Like if a champ spends years collecting belts, and the deciding rounds are literally too close to call, then you either score the fight a draw so the champ keeps his belts, or give him the benefit of the doubt in a coin toss round. But you basically don't let the challenger take away someone's years of work just by fighting even with them, or being within 1 punch either way and it's hard to tell.

              So that at least makes sense. But saying Kovalev winning twice as many rounds and knocking Ward down wasn't enough really makes me question if Tszyu has an agenda here. I'm also of the theory that many pro boxers bet on Ward to win, and made money, so they want to justify their pick and their profiting off the fight so they don't feel guilty about it by lying to themselves that at least the fight could have gone either way, when deep down they even they were a lot more surprised with the Ward scorecards than they would have been had Kovalev been announced the winner.

              There have also been accusations that Kovalev is a racist, and if black OR white boxers believe that, most don't like racists. Kovalev's also been accused of not liking women boxing or whatever. A lot of men in the west don't like people who say stuff like that. So basically all these pundits in the west have multiple reasons why they might prefer Ward to Kovalev personally, which is the only reason I see even like 20% of them saying Ward won, when in my opinion it would be closer to 95% if they were neutral.

              I keep hearing from Ward fans that they watched it with 10 other Ward fans and every single one admit Ward got a gift. But I haven't heard of any Kovalev fans that that thought Ward won, except for some youtube commenters who claim to be Kovalev fans but have Rick Ross avatars and other clues that they're actually Ward fans pretending to be Kovalev fans to try to trick fan perception of this fight. Like that's how desperate some of these specific Ward fan boys, not normal Ward fans but the fan boys, are to try to make it seem like Ward won, because they know so few agree, that they are creating youtube comments to pretend to be Kovalev fans just to comment "Kovalev is actually my favorite fighter, but I scored this one 114-113 to Ward. Kovalev really gassed and Ward adjusted" even though Kovalev threw and landed more.

              I think that weasel strategy just backfires though. I think it makes it more obvious to people who won, instead of trying to make it seem closer like they want to do. But yeah man Tszyu definitely seems to be biased against Kovalev, like a few others in the western boxing establishment I had it 8-4 Kovalev.
              What I find so ironic is that you are acting like the decision was a robbery and that Kovalev won this fight by a landslide. Which couldn't have been more than contrary to the truth.

              By your own admission and scorecard on your twitter page. You even scored the fight close. You had it 115-112 for the "Krusher". That's just 7 rounds to 5; Including the 1 point deduction from Andre Ward for the second round knockdown.

              I agree that boxing fans should be irate if a bout is a one sided beat down or a domination but this one was far from that. It was a close fight, in which you scored a near dead heat. Take away the knockdown and this fight could've easily been ruled a draw or gone either way.

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              • Kigali
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                #67
                Originally posted by Mr. Objectivity
                Kovalev shouldnt take it an insult, rather a valuable advice. Kovalev should never play the victim card like what floyd f@gweather usually resorts to.
                This lil puta can't leave Floyd out of any conversation.

                Go pluck your eyebrows maricon.

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                • koolkc107
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                  #68
                  I think Kovalev and JDJ would be smart to heed Kostya's advice.

                  If they go into the rematch thinking they don't need to make any major adjustments they are going to get smoked by Ward the second time around.

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                  • Kigali
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by bojangles1987
                    The only thing Kovalev really needs to fix is his stamina. I'm not sure how fixable it is, but if he finishes stronger, there's no way Ward can win enough rounds. It's a pattern of his at this point that he can't maintain the same sharpness throughout a 12 round fight.
                    That's not fixable..

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by hhs661
                      That shít that makes your soul burn slow

                      "To my great regret, Kovalev lost the fight with Andre Ward," said Tszyu.
                      LOL, yeah he hit him with that ether!

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