Notice how any fighter promoter or media member who says Ward won gets attacked and discredited? These fools just either hate Ward that much, love Kovalev that much, or just want to feel like their prediction was right. Close fight...Ward got the nod even though it could have gone either way. You girls need to get out of your feelings and move on. Especially Boxing L and Punched.
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Originally posted by moochi View Postthat's a bit harsh, all fighters tire, or start slow then finish hard, seeing fights are scored by rounds, it's kinda irrelevant if you 'come on strong (wank wank ward)' or start strong..
technically as a champion, all you need to do is win 6 rounds and you keep your title.
the reality seems to be that if fighters like Kovalev or Klitshcko, etc, were not KTFO'ing people, then it would appear the fight is competitive, but reality is majority times its not and we shouldn't be harsh on them.
I doubted Kovalev's boxing ability (non KO style) up until he fought B-Hop, when he outboxed B-Hop that's when I said "WOW" this guy can box, and then on the weekend when he even outboxed Ward the whole fight and even inside fighting, I once again said "WOW"...
Very very skilled fighter with so many facets, and yes agree if he had even better stamina we would see a near perfect machine.
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Good advice from Tszyu.
I haven't read all the comments yet but I hope he didn't get accused of being a "self hating white" by the usual suspects.
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Originally posted by Ake-Dawg View PostNotice how any fighter promoter or media member who says Ward won gets attacked and discredited? These fools just either hate Ward that much, love Kovalev that much, or just want to feel like their prediction was right. Close fight...Ward got the nod even though it could have gone either way. You girls need to get out of your feelings and move on. Especially Boxing L and Punched.
For the record, I had Kovalev winning initially and haven't scored it for Kovalev since rewatching it a few times. So for me it's gotten more and more laughable.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostThe only thing Kovalev really needs to fix is his stamina. I'm not sure how fixable it is, but if he finishes stronger, there's no way Ward can win enough rounds. It's a pattern of his at this point that he can't maintain the same sharpness throughout a 12 round fight.
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Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View PostYou know what I'm starting to think it was, it was the grappling, the fact that Kovalev isn't accustomed to holding guys on the inside. I mean it worked so well for him early on so he may look to do it again in the rematch but it may end up hurting him in the second half, at least I suspect.
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Originally posted by Boxing Logic View PostSounds like Tszyu is jealous of the accolades Kovalev is getting as a Russian. Tszyu even brings up his career to try to say "I was able to work hard and come back after my loss, so unless Kovalev can come back from his 'loss' quote unquote quote, I'm better." Reminds me of Marquez constantly badmouthing Canelo, and when some fighters badmouthed Floyd for reasons that weren't as legit as others.
Then he contradicts himself about how Ward is an American superstar and "idol of millions" (really? Then why don't they show up to his fights?) so Kovalev had to win 12-0 or whatever. That's an even worse argument than "you have to take it from the champ." The champ thing at least makes sense in terms of a tiebreaker. Like if a champ spends years collecting belts, and the deciding rounds are literally too close to call, then you either score the fight a draw so the champ keeps his belts, or give him the benefit of the doubt in a coin toss round. But you basically don't let the challenger take away someone's years of work just by fighting even with them, or being within 1 punch either way and it's hard to tell.
So that at least makes sense. But saying Kovalev winning twice as many rounds and knocking Ward down wasn't enough really makes me question if Tszyu has an agenda here. I'm also of the theory that many pro boxers bet on Ward to win, and made money, so they want to justify their pick and their profiting off the fight so they don't feel guilty about it by lying to themselves that at least the fight could have gone either way, when deep down they even they were a lot more surprised with the Ward scorecards than they would have been had Kovalev been announced the winner.
There have also been accusations that Kovalev is a racist, and if black OR white boxers believe that, most don't like racists. Kovalev's also been accused of not liking women boxing or whatever. A lot of men in the west don't like people who say stuff like that. So basically all these pundits in the west have multiple reasons why they might prefer Ward to Kovalev personally, which is the only reason I see even like 20% of them saying Ward won, when in my opinion it would be closer to 95% if they were neutral.
I keep hearing from Ward fans that they watched it with 10 other Ward fans and every single one admit Ward got a gift. But I haven't heard of any Kovalev fans that that thought Ward won, except for some youtube commenters who claim to be Kovalev fans but have Rick Ross avatars and other clues that they're actually Ward fans pretending to be Kovalev fans to try to trick fan perception of this fight. Like that's how desperate some of these specific Ward fan boys, not normal Ward fans but the fan boys, are to try to make it seem like Ward won, because they know so few agree, that they are creating youtube comments to pretend to be Kovalev fans just to comment "Kovalev is actually my favorite fighter, but I scored this one 114-113 to Ward. Kovalev really gassed and Ward adjusted" even though Kovalev threw and landed more.
I think that weasel strategy just backfires though. I think it makes it more obvious to people who won, instead of trying to make it seem closer like they want to do. But yeah man Tszyu definitely seems to be biased against Kovalev, like a few others in the western boxing establishment I had it 8-4 Kovalev.
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Originally posted by fightfanjoe View PostLOL! I came to that conclusion after the first post of his I ever read. He's the Charlie Zelenoff of this site.
ahahah good call, that is exactly what he is
fk me, what sort of turd would run around making up boxing stories to get some street-cred on a website LMAO
the guy doesn't even seem to realize that he sounds like a clueless 12yo, he doesn't even try to act the part..... just tells us a silly story, and expects us to believe it
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Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View PostThat's what I've started to notice as well and one can find the fight in many different formats, I've seen two that were recorded in the arena, how anyone can call this one a robbery is beyond me.
For the record, I had Kovalev winning initially and haven't scored it for Kovalev since rewatching it a few times. So for me it's gotten more and more laughable.
this is soooo reminiscent of the Pacquiao era
we MUST go full ******..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST..... we MUST
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Yeah the mistake being Ward and his clinches with a corrupt ref that allows him to do it.
What is Kovalev supposed to change to put that right? Maybe bite Andre in the neck with fighting outside of the rules. Yeah, he could pick Ward up and body-slam him to the canvas while beating him up with ground and pound. Do some MMA moves of his own. Because those crooked refs are not going to stop him. America needs fighters on top. Ward is that guy. Why, I don't know because he can't sell tickets and he's seriously ugly to watch with cheating and mauling.
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