was Roberto Duran really that great?

[Guest]

I just got some new fights into
my collection. I got the one with
Roberto Duran against Tommy Herns.
My uncle keeps saying Duran was so great.
I saw the tape when Duran quit against Sugar
Ray too. Now seeing Tommy Herns knock him out
with one punch. Why do people keep saying Duran
is so great especially old people.

MTJ is BACK!!!!

[Mike_Dee]

watch Duran's fights in the 70's

[tills9191]

roberto duran faught 70 fights in his first 11 years with only 1 loss to Esteban De Jesus who he came back and defeated twice in that same timespan. he held the lightweight title for 7 of those first 11 years. he relinquished the title after having it nearly 8 years straight. he didn't lose it in a fight...he was on his way up to the welterweights where he won the title from sugar ray leonard. at this point he was 29 years old and had 73 fights behind him. that part of his career would be his best. he went on to fight 47 more fights before his careers end. losing 15 of those fights in weight classes well above his natural weight to some world class fighters that are recognized as greats today.(Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Vinny Pazienza, Hector Camacho) with a total of 120 fights 104 wins and by 69 ko. the math is easy, he lost 16 fights. his titles include 4 weight divisions including NBA Super Middleweight Title, WBC Middleweight Champion, WBA Junior Middleweight Champion, WBC Welterweight Champion, WBC Lightweight Champion, and the WBA Lightweight Champion. one can easily see that duran was a totally dominating force in the lightweight division and was able to have some success moving up. he was an animal in the ring that learned to hone his defensive skills and become a boxer puncher. my personal opinion is that roberto duran earned all the props he has been given as one of boxings p4p greats. he is one of only four to hold world titles at four different weights: lightweight (1972–1979), welterweight (1980), junior middleweight (1983), and middleweight (1989–1990).

btw....sugar shane has been fighting for 11 years and has only 44 fights with 4 losses. he held the lightweight title for two years, and held the welterweight title for a year and a half, the middle weight title for 6 months. 3 titles for a total of 4 years

how the hell is pazienza considered a great??

[tills9191]

hey dino, why every post you talk a bunch of mumbo jumbo. for realz i think you've drank yourself ******ed. you need to go to aa, and get some help for drinking and no logic replies

who do people bother replying to his ****** posts??
everybody knows duran is great, and I can't believe this thread has received this many replies.

[tills9191]

Yes, he really was that great, and I'll give you just one reason why he was so great:

He started his career at 118lbs. and his last fight was at 175lbs. He climbed weight divisions and continued to win as he rose in weight. The guy was a freak.

thats remarkable.

[FISTIC ART]

...............

He's an all time great ........ period....

and he's a **** like me.........

with manos de piedra...great for boxing...........

not so good as a surgeon...lmaoooooooooo

[Panamaniac]

Yes, he really was that great, and I'll give you just one reason why he was so great:

He started his career at 118lbs. and his last fight was at 175lbs. He climbed weight divisions and continued to win as he rose in weight. The guy was a freak.

Duran at 175lbs

[luke_ski]

He was 71-1 by the time he got to Leonard. That was 12 years into his career, and probably when he started going over the hill. He's a legend and don't you think otherwise.

[wpink1]

Luke Ski Duran is a legend true, great true...but tell the Truth. He was only 29 years old when he moved up to face Leonard. He did not have any type of amateur career, thus he was not subject to the wear and tear as a dlh, leonard, mayweather did from the amateur days..

Now since he did not have many if any amateur fights, one would say that is further evidence of his greatness, and will on one hand agree with that, but you have to fair and balanced,,Most of his fights at lightweight were vs very very very weak opposition, many with losing records even after he became champion. Go to BoxRec and see for yourself.

So while duran is great, the facts ...no opinions, the facts speak for themselvs. Duran moved up as did chavez, paquio, leonard, mayweather, dlh, mosley, jones, robinson etc...in fact mayweather has moved up around the same age as Duran did when he moved up. Duran has gotten repeated butt whippings north of lightweight, but he also does own the victory vs leonard. So when judging Duran his career sends mixed signals if your discussing all time great status. He has earned it and will go down as one of the best ever, but again many on here get upset when you simply point out that they are grading duran on a different criteria section than all other fighters..We chastice Jones for his quality of oppostion, compare his quality wins to Durans, What if mayweather got ko'd dlh...hmm did duran get ko'd at 154 weight limit by Hearns...around the same age as Mayweather...What if Leonard had quit vs Hagler (even after retirment) would we let him off the hook.

So again the facts paing a completely different picture than mos duran followers, if ,,this is key if you judge all other fighters by the same guidlines.

[KILLA RIGHT]

i agree with u...chavez would beat duran up..whitaker would outsmart/outpoint him..mosley would just beat the **** out of him..mayweather would outpoint him and so would meldrick taylor..if duran was beatting beat like chavez was by taylor he would have quit

Aren't u the same guy that says chavez never beat anyone?U ***** at every fighter why do u even watch boxing?Duran was an all time great top 5 p4p